The wealthy are a burden

wiseones2cents said:
What do you mean wealth is diluted?
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He means wealth tends to 'trickle down' over time, and he is correct. You are wrong. You see, when a wealthy person buys something with their wealth, the magic money fairy doesn't come and make that money jump back into their pockets, they lose that portion of their wealth, it goes to pay the person or persons for the good or service the wealthy person purchased. This increases profits, which creates dividends, and the wealthy person might happen to benefit as a result, but it is never greater than the amount they spent. They might get to claim a tax deduction or credit, but again... it's nothing in comparison to the amount they spent. Meanwhile, hundreds of people are busy writing purchase orders, processing paperwork, designing and creating product, marketing and developing newer product, giving employees bonuses or raises, paying for vacations, housing, clothing, education... on and on... all as a result of Mr. Wealthy spending his wealth.

The wealthy usually remain wealthy. People with "old money" have a lot of influence.
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Yes, wealthy people do tend to remain wealthy, or become even wealthier. (It's because they have a knack for creating wealth...shhhhh!)

Because they have wealth and wealth buys influence, they also tend to have a lot of influence, and ya know what... not a damn thing we can do about this, it is a condition of life that will exist no matter what we do, even if we convert America into the former Soviet Union and become totally Marxist... there will still be people who buy and peddle influence. It's human nature, and it is as old as mankind, you can't stop it from happening, regardless of your personal feelings.


Today there are more and more over night millionaires because there is a ton of pillaging.
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This is just plain old fashioned lying. Nothing else can be said for it. Every day, we turn on the news to see another white collar sleazebag get prison time for fucking people over. They don't get away with it, we have whistle-blowers and highly paid legal teams who make sure they don't, and it works for the most part. It goes back to the simple point I made earlier, wealthy people tend to gain more wealth because they are smart with money and know how to make more wealth... (it's how they got to be rich...shhhh!) It's not because they are ripping people off or screwing people over, to the contrary, those type of people tend not to last too long in the real world, they make too many enemies.


Though they are more likely to lose their wealth, since they are not used to being wealthy.
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LMFAOOoooo..... That's a good one! So what you're saying is, it's a good thing that rich people have all the money and know what to do with it, because poor people aren't used to it and can't handle it? Hey... here's an idea... why don't we take all the people who are smart and know how to make money and give everything they make to the people who are too stupid to know what to do with it, and see what happens then? Wouldn't that be a hoot? How many "poor" people have ever created a job?

They don't work, work! They just have meetings once in awhile and give orders! If they are working it usually means they are a front man and a silent partner is running the show!
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And finally, the crux of the problem is revealed. You believe that wealthy people somehow just managed to have all this money dumped in their laps, it never disappears (apparently), and all they ever had to do was show up and have a meeting? ...And if you do happen to see one working, they are obviously faking it! LOL.... maybe trying for a publicity photo op? Oooo... Look at the rich guy roll up his sleeves and work! Yeah, rich people never work, never had to work, don't deserve anything they have, spoiled little rich brats.... blah blah blah. What you are doing is called "STEREOTYPING" and it is the one true and legitimate indicator of bigotry and prejudice. Are you this closed-minded about Jews and black people too? What about gays?

Sorry but your silly notion that people that are super wealthy work is laughable. Again. Would you work if you were a multi-millionaire? I'm talking cash not assets.
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Sorry but your silly notion that people fit into some stereotypical cookie-cutter mold you've created in your narrow little pinhead mind, is what is laughable to me. Again! Would Steve Jobs, one of the wealthiest men in America, work if he had stage 4 cancer and only a few weeks to live? Oh wait....
 
Rune said:
Now you are grouping me with this retard? Fuck you STY, seriously.
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as far as protesting wall street making you think you're going to change how congress works is what you two do, yeah. i'm grouping you two together. If you don't like that, then realize that wall street is not the problem, it's a symptom of the disease.
 
General Sherman said:
Yes, because those who are rich are rich because they work hard and deserve it, and because those who are poor are poor because they are lazy and are worthy of their poverty and suffering. The world is totally and entirely just, and God sits around and makes it this way. Are there any more Polyanna tales you would like to tell me, you naive simpleton? Any more ways in which we can sit around and play the glad game?

Your faith is touching. Really.
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SmarterThanYou said:
as far as protesting wall street making you think you're going to change how congress works is what you two do, yeah. i'm grouping you two together. If you don't like that, then realize that wall street is not the problem, it's a symptom of the disease.
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This idiot is a communist you fucking retard.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
)what does that make you? (insert random ad-hom here)
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His worst enemy, moron?

If you could take off your conservatard blinders for 30 fucking seconds you would see that you and I are on the same page.
You don't like me? Fine. Leave my name out of your rants. Keep fucking with me and you will become my special project.
 
Rune said:
His worst enemy, moron?

If you could take off your conservatard blinders for 30 fucking seconds you would see that you and I are on the same page.
You don't like me? Fine. Leave my name out of your rants. Keep fucking with me and you will become my special project.
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no, we're not on the same page. you're all fat dumb and happy when it's a subject you and I agree on, but the second I show an opinion that goes against your socialist 99% group, i'm a conservatard far right winger moron, so fuck you. If I become your special project, that just puts you in the group on the short bus.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
no, we're not on the same page. you're all fat dumb and happy when it's a subject you and I agree on, but the second I show an opinion that goes against your socialist 99% group, i'm a conservatard far right winger moron, so fuck you. If I become your special project, that just puts you in the group on the short bus.
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I am not the one who keeps dragging your name into rants against or in comparison with other idiots.
You have something to say, say it without involving me. You have no idea what I stand for. You just make a lot of dumbass assumptions about me, and I am over it. You want to get to the point where you can't make a single point without me getting in your shit then keep it up.
 
Rune said:
I am not the one who keeps dragging your name into rants against or in comparison with other idiots.
You have something to say, say it without involving me. You have no idea what I stand for. You just make a lot of dumbass assumptions about me, and I am over it. You want to get to the point where you can't make a single point without me getting in your shit then keep it up.
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i've brought you up in TWO threads over the last two months, and that means I keep doing it? and dumbass assumptions? wtf do you think you did by stating I was a diehard right winger? stop being a total moron.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
as far as protesting wall street making you think you're going to change how congress works is what you two do, yeah. i'm grouping you two together. If you don't like that, then realize that wall street is not the problem, it's a symptom of the disease.
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Congress is wall street's bitch. Not only that. You dont think members of congress do not have shares themselves and use their power and influence to lend a hand? Take away wall street and you take much of the wind out of congress.

Never say never. Bigger Empires have fallen. :)

To dune: I'm a communist?LOL Maybe when your old enough to discern, then you may understand.
 
Yurt said:
yes, i would like to see the numbers.
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What figures? For America or for the world. Just google it! This article states 40% but I have seen more accurate figures that point to closer to 50%. Also notice that it has been an increase of 10% in the last 20 years of their wealth. That is HUGE!!At this rate they will be the oligarchs of America. Basically they will eventually own 90%+ of total wealth.

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/top-5-facts-america-richest-1-183022655.html
 
Lowaicue said:
The poor are very welcome. Its the brain dead yanks from Phoenix that are banned. Now piss off once again. How many times do I have to tell you? You are far too dumb for this forum. Go and watch ants in your garden or try to count the stars that shine.
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ROTFLOL!!!!
 
Yurt said:
wiseone...this says alot about your beliefs. you don't even know how middleman plays a role in a socialist economy. again...explain to me how goods reach others thousands of miles away. that would foster our discussion.
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How? The government owns the resources. Owns the methods of transportation, Owns the methods of distribution. SUre he has people in charge that get slightly more for their work but no Over paid CEO's or greedy owners or stock holders.

In capitalism, every aspect of the method of getting the product down to the consumer has a middle man. Energy companies, Insurance companies, owners, management, bankers, ect.....




mergers have little to do with getting rid of the middle man. that said.... do you want a government controlling all the economy?
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Actually you are mistaken. Unfortunately, they remove one middle man and gain others via stocks. I'd rather have a government that is accountable to the people running an economy as opposed to capitalists who are not accountable to the people.



then explain to me my south pacific island economy. explain how that would work, without a middleman. if they are never necessary, explain the transportation of goods over long distances.
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What is there to explain?The only added factor is fuel. Though if they want they can average it out so everyone pays the same everywhere.



you and i pretty much agree on this. as long as the government can keep printing money AND keep the value of the money at tradeable rate, then i'm not sure this statement holds true. all one has to do is look at which governments keep printing money and which governments keep the value of money.
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It sure beats having your credit dependent on foreigners that are only concerned with profit and not the people.




wait a minute...so if the government is the middleman, you're ok with that? the government does not eat at your proverbial trough? you are truly naive and seriously need to study history.
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The government is not a middleman but an employee hired by the people.

i don't understand how you can remove the trucker and then the price becomes cheaper. the trucker makes the price cheaper. that is a fact. undeniable fact.
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The trucker makes the price cheaper?LOL You must have failed economics.lol

Put it this way. If I have a product. I make $1 selling this product. I also own the trucking company. I will only add the extra cost of fuel, as opposed to making even more profit to deliver it. I also own the distributing and retail. Since I am concentrating on making the $1 off the product.

A capitalist? Has a product for $1. Pays a truck company to deliver it. The truck company owner puts gas+ a little something for him. He now sells it to the distributor for $2. Then the Distributor owner puts a little something on it for him. And sells it to the retailer for $4. Now the retailer owner(capitalist) has to make something on it and sells it for $5. By the time it gets to the consumer? A $1 product now costs $5. And all these middle men are living off the backs of the consumer.

In capitalism





that is a broad definition that doesn't really define what you believe. for example, GWB believed in all of your listed ideals. is GWB your leader?
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I would have to open another thread to define my definition of socialism. I just dont have the time right now.
 
wiseones2cents said:
How? The government owns the resources. Owns the methods of transportation, Owns the methods of distribution. SUre he has people in charge that get slightly more for their work but no Over paid CEO's or greedy owners or stock holders.

In capitalism, every aspect of the method of getting the product down to the consumer has a middle man. Energy companies, Insurance companies, owners, management, bankers, ect.....








Actually you are mistaken. Unfortunately, they remove one middle man and gain others via stocks. I'd rather have a government that is accountable to the people running an economy as opposed to capitalists who are not accountable to the people.





What is there to explain?The only added factor is fuel. Though if they want they can average it out so everyone pays the same everywhere.





It sure beats having your credit dependent on foreigners that are only concerned with profit and not the people.






The government is not a middleman but an employee hired by the people.



The trucker makes the price cheaper?LOL You must have failed economics.lol

Put it this way. If I have a product. I make $1 selling this product. I also own the trucking company. I will only add the extra cost of fuel, as opposed to making even more profit to deliver it. I also own the distributing and retail. Since I am concentrating on making the $1 off the product.

A capitalist? Has a product for $1. Pays a truck company to deliver it. The truck company owner puts gas+ a little something for him. He now sells it to the distributor for $2. Then the Distributor owner puts a little something on it for him. And sells it to the retailer for $4. Now the retailer owner(capitalist) has to make something on it and sells it for $5. By the time it gets to the consumer? A $1 product now costs $5. And all these middle men are living off the backs of the consumer.

In capitalism







I would have to open another thread to define my definition of socialism. I just dont have the time right now.
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Yep, communist and an idiot.
 
General Sheridan said:
So the Beatles 'earned' their wealth, but the guys who produced, edited, promoted, and distributed their music, didn't 'earn' their wealth? Even though without all that the Beatles wouldn't have been successful? And you don't think a band that (shitty as it is) has millions of fans shouldn't be able to set the price for the fruits of their labor?Care to explain the massive incongruities here?
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Wanna answer buddy?
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
And no one is forced to buy anythiing, except car insurance (if you drive a car) and Obamacare, if it's not dismantled. :)
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Ya right. Try not buying heat, or electricity for your home. Try not buying food. Try not buying clothes. Try not paying for your hunting license, fishing license, car license, ect.....Try not paying rent. Try being homeless.
 
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