NHTSA: No problem with Volt batteries.

The Dude said:
there may not be a huge battery issue.
THERE IS A HUGE SALES ISSUE, NOBODY WANTS THIS POS.

5,000 sales mostly between dealers for a multi-billion dollar future car.

Really!!!!
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How does that stack up against the first model year of the Prius?
 
The Dude said:
they are the same
it'll be great for GM if the volt catches on like the Prius.

I'll bet you it won't.
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Thanks.

We shall see. The market will be more crowded for the Volt than it was for the Prius and the likelihood that the Volt will catch on like the Prius is pretty remote. In my view, the true test will be whether the technology catches on more generally.
 
The Dude said:
I think it will catch on. But if it can't sell like the prius then the investment does not pay out.
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It does if Chevy can use the technology gained from developing the Volt to developing an electric car that does catch on. It's pretty short-sighted to say that the Volt investment wasn't worth it if GM produces an electric car not called the Volt that uses the same or similar technology and which gains significant market share.
 
Superfreak said:
I don't think electric cars in their current format will catch on. Too much of a pain in the ass.
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That's an infrastructure problem, though. Any alternative vehicle that isn't a perpetual motion machine is going to need a reliable energy source to really make inroads in the market. Right now the infrastructure for a reliable energy source wherever you want to travel only exists for gas powered vehicles.
 
Superfreak said:
Do you know what discernible means? Do you know what trend means?

Look them up.
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Do you? It doesn't matter, since neither exists, as evidenced by the no preceding them. WTF is wrong with your reading comprehension? You actualy let yurt lawyer you into believing his twisted bullshit? I don't think so. I see this as a marriage of convenience. Disapointing that you would employ a whore such as yurt just because he supports your cause.
 
Dungheap said:
That's an infrastructure problem, though. Any alternative vehicle that isn't a perpetual motion machine is going to need a reliable energy source to really make inroads in the market. Right now the infrastructure for a reliable energy source wherever you want to travel only exists for gas powered vehicles.
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I agree that is part of the problem. The other part is range of the electric. It will never replace the gasoline engine until its range increases. The other aspect is the 'pain in the ass' factor of remembering to plug it in every night (or when you get to work, should that be available).

Want to screw with people, walk along a street or in a parking garage and start unplugging their cars.
 
Rune said:
Do you? It doesn't matter, since neither exists, as evidenced by the no preceding them. WTF is wrong with your reading comprehension? You actualy let yurt lawyer you into believing his twisted bullshit? I don't think so. I see this as a marriage of convenience. Disapointing that you would employ a whore such as yurt just because he supports your cause.
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Tell us... how could anyone possibly find a discernible trend in a car that:

a) only has 5000 sold (I don't have toppys dealer to dealer numbers, but if any of that happened, that makes it less likely to find such a trend)
b) haven't had enough wrecks to have any type of trend.

So of course there is no distinguishable trend of defects. They haven't been around long enough to experience enough crashes to gather data. But what we do know is that prior to the 'fix' there was a problem.
 
Superfreak said:
Tell us... how could anyone possibly find a discernible trend in a car that:

a) only has 5000 sold (I don't have toppys dealer to dealer numbers, but if any of that happened, that makes it less likely to find such a trend)
b) haven't had enough wrecks to have any type of trend.

So of course there is no distinguishable trend of defects. They haven't been around long enough to experience enough crashes to gather data. But what we do know is that prior to the 'fix' there was a problem.
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They could find a trend the same way they found the problem in the first instance, by crash testing cars. And, yes, there was a problem that was fixed, as happens from time to time with all types of vehicles.
 
Superfreak said:
I agree that is part of the problem. The other part is range of the electric. It will never replace the gasoline engine until its range increases. The other aspect is the 'pain in the ass' factor of remembering to plug it in every night (or when you get to work, should that be available).

Want to screw with people, walk along a street or in a parking garage and start unplugging their cars.
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I think the range problem is overstated. Most people for most trips will not exceed the range. It's silly to buy a car for the longest possible trip you might take once a year. The pain in the ass factor will abate as the pain in the wallet for gas increases.
 
Superfreak said:
Tell us... how could anyone possibly find a discernible trend in a car that:

a) only has 5000 sold (I don't have toppys dealer to dealer numbers, but if any of that happened, that makes it less likely to find such a trend)
b) haven't had enough wrecks to have any type of trend.

So of course there is no distinguishable trend of defects. They haven't been around long enough to experience enough crashes to gather data. But what we do know is that prior to the 'fix' there was a problem.
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Thanks for finaly agreeing.
 
Dungheap said:
It does if Chevy can use the technology gained from developing the Volt to developing an electric car that does catch on. It's pretty short-sighted to say that the Volt investment wasn't worth it if GM produces an electric car not called the Volt that uses the same or similar technology and which gains significant market share.
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Your a welder I'm a finance guy. I'm guessing return on investment is harder than a tact weld.
Many more cars use the tech Prius brought to market and will with volt if its viable.
 
Rune said:
Do you? It doesn't matter, since neither exists, as evidenced by the no preceding them. WTF is wrong with your reading comprehension? You actualy let yurt lawyer you into believing his twisted bullshit? I don't think so. I see this as a marriage of convenience. Disapointing that you would employ a whore such as yurt just because he supports your cause.
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lol, dune is all butthurt because yurt schooled him, yet again
 
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