Airstrip One
Completely Effed
Well, the rugged individualist in me says you are responsible for your own soul. The popular saying, "if you can't to the time..." applies here.
Baby killers cause Komen to cave
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Well, the rugged individualist in me says you are responsible for your own soul. The popular saying, "if you can't to the time..." applies here.
apple0154
MEOW
I'm more of a community minded person. As for "individualist" I even have trouble sleeping alone. Thank goodness for the Mrs.
Airstrip One
Completely Effed
Just don't snore too loudly, or you'll find yourself alone on the couch.
Airstrip One
Completely Effed
The Fraudian Psychologist in me thinks you are that way because mom left you in the main bedroom for too long. 
It is a chicken, just in early stages once it begins to develop. You can even tell through its DNA whether it will be a rooster or a hen if it is allowed to develop fully.
No, it is a developing chicken at that point it is not just an "egg" because there is a developing chicken... You don't count them until they've hatched, but they are chickens.
This is junk, all of them are human. What the human chooses to do with their lives is up to them, but all of them, including the human in its early stages are human. You are beginning to understand though, you've equated a kindergartner with a human fetus. It shows you actually understand. Unfortunately you refuse to trust science and go into nonsense.
icedancer2theend
Verified User
Legally, they're correct. Morally and ethically, they're Republican.
That's right, because democrats don't use trademarks <sarcasm>
Airstrip One
Completely Effed
You mean like a jackass?
apple0154
MEOW
The Fraudian Psychologist in me thinks you are that way because mom left you in the main bedroom for too long.
Actually I had my own bedroom from the time I remember. That's probably the reason. Most friends and classmates I knew shared a bedroom with a sibling.
My upbringing, as a child, of sleeping in a room alone probably contributed to my adolescent, burning desire to have women sleep with me. Then one thing led to another and.........
apple0154
MEOW
DNA is only one way to classify something. Science will classify a chip off the corner of an oak coffee table, an oak tree and an acorn as the same thing. Are they?
That doesn't make any sense. If they're chickens people would count them as chickens.
Here we go, again, with reading comprehension problems. The only junk is claiming something that is developing is already what it may develop into. Listen to yourself.
Try using that logic in every day life. When you start developing a project do you tell your boss you've developed it before it's developed?
Where has basic common sense gone?
apple0154
MEOW
Well, we know the person in charge of Koman is a Republican and into politics. Need more be said?
On that note my pillow is calling.
Airstrip One
Completely Effed
Yep, I had to share, myself. Now I often feel a sense of freedom. Of course, being trapped in bed with a woman is a better feeling.
Actually, they would not classify a coffee table as a tree, they would say it was made from a tree. Just as they would classify the skin on a Nazi lamp to be human skin, they would not classify it as a human. ]
You seem to be ever ready to come up with the most ridiculous examples applied in the most incorrect way possible.
They call them chickens. I was just referring to your "old saying'...
This is still utter nonsense. They are always human, even if they choose from different vocations, a vocation is not a specie.
Common sense is so uncommon it should be considered a superpower. A human can choose a vocation, but it doesn't change that they are human and that they all began to be human as a fertilized ovum. The human organism develops, but it doesn't change species during any stage of development, it is always human.
apple0154
MEOW
Exactly! That's what I've been trying to get across regarding this nonsense that DNA proves something is a human being. All DNA proves is something is human material. A fertilized human egg is not necessarily a human being, "being" being the key word. Logic should tell anyone that if 50% of fertilized eggs spontaneously abort a lot of those eggs do not even have the necessary material to develop into a human being, let alone are human beings.
They're not ridiculous examples. Just as you said a coffee table isn't a tree and a lamp made from human skin is not a human being running scientific tests on those things can not determine the difference between a tree and a table or a lamp and a person. So the idea DNA proves something is a human being is simply not true.
The kids in kindergarten are all human beings because they have been born. It has been accomplished. They are not doctors or any other professional because that has not been accomplished. As for changing species no one suggested that. My point is we, science, does not know if the fertilized egg has the necessary ingredients to become a human being until it does become a human being.
Not only do we have very little idea how genes work but as far as I'm aware no one even knows how many genes human beings have. Talk about being in the dark. The scientific community jumps up and down when they find a gene that relates to an illness and we have tens of thousands of genes. If we don't know how many genes we have and how they function how can anyone possibly conclude a fetus has all the necessary genes in order to develop into a human being. And when we talk about a fertilized cell.....well, obviously there's nothing to talk about.
Proof would entail knowing what genes are necessary for the development of a human being and then knowing if, at the very least, the majority of fertilized cells usually contain those necessary genes before one jumps to the conclusion all fertilized cells are human beings.
apple0154
MEOW
Exactly! That is my point. They do not know what is a lamp or a human being by using DNA. They do not know what is a tree or a table. All they can do is say what the material is.
Yes, kids in kindergarten are human beings because they have been born. They have completed what was necessary to be a human being. None of them have completed being a doctor or any other professional. Thus, they are not doctors or any other professional.
We have tens of thousands of genes and the scientific community jumps up and down when they discover one gene that relates to an illness. One out of thousands and they don’t even know the exact number so how can anyone possibly know if a fetus, let alone a fertilized egg, has the necessary genes to become a human being. And considering 50% of fertilized eggs spontaneously abort through no obvious reason it’s reasonable to conclude they lacked the necessary ingredients to become a human being.
Before anyone even suggests they can prove fertilized eggs are human beings they have to know if, at the very least, the majority of fertilized cells have the necessary genes. Of course, we (science) don't even know what genes are necessary.
If an argument based on such a lack of facts and understanding, as that used by the pro-life anti-abortionists, was used in any other situation it would be summarily dismissed by a wave of the hand.
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
it is not arguable that they are anything other than "oak".....those laws you referred to earlier would prevent a furniture store from attempting to pass an oak coffee table off as ebony......
Again, you ignore the difference between something killed and something alive and pretend that science agrees with you. There is a difference between a living organism and something dead, this is true. But it doesn't change what it was before you killed it.
Again, absolutely ridiculous. Ignoring the difference between a living organism and something dead doesn't change that it is something killed.
If this were the case you would never be able to convict anybody of murder because the corpse is no longer a "person"...
You said that they were going to "develop into" a doctor as part of their life cycle, which is simply stupid. It simply isn't the case. Their DNA makes them a living human organism, their DNA will not make them a doctor. They don't develop into doctors, they choose a career path. There is no "doctor organism" they are human, not the specie "doctor"...
The human organism is a human organism, there is nothing to accomplish it is what it is.
Now we're again into the philosophy rather than the science. They are a human organism, even 5th grade science will tell you that. There's nothing to talk about because you simply ignore science and pretend it isn't what it is.
No, it would not. Proof is simply the reality that the human organism begins life at conception. Whether it is a "person" or legal to kill at that level of development is the question, but pretending it is anything other than human progeny is pretense, an attempt to dehumanize so that you can feel good.
I understand that those who support killing progeny will always use argument outside of science. Is it a "person"? That is philosophy, and the only actual argument that can exist. Deliberately pretending that 2 plus 2 is 5 will never make it 5, nor will pretending that human progeny isn't a human organism make that organism anything other than what it is.
Well, that would depend on the philosophical points. Personally I don't think women should be forced to incubate children and we should remove the child and attempt to save its life by incubating ex utero rather than purposefully killing them. Saying it is "murder" is interesting though.
You must be against the death penalty then. It would be "murder".
Consistent enough. I'll let Apple try to convince you that humans aren't human until they are born. It will be an interesting discussion.
apple0154
MEOW
Exactly! That is my point. They do not know what is a lamp or a human being by using DNA. They do not know what is a tree or a table. All they can do is say what the material is.
Yes, kids in kindergarten are human beings because they have been born. They have completed what was necessary to be a human being. None of them have completed being a doctor or any other professional. Thus, they are not doctors or any other professional.
We have tens of thousands of genes and the scientific community jumps up and down when they discover one gene that relates to an illness. One out of thousands and they don’t even know the exact number so how can anyone possibly know if a fetus, let alone a fertilized egg, has the necessary genes to become a human being. And considering 50% of fertilized eggs spontaneously abort through no obvious reason it’s reasonable to conclude they lacked the necessary ingredients to become a human being.
Before anyone even suggests they can prove fertilized eggs are human beings they have to know if, at the very least, the majority of fertilized cells have the necessary genes. Of course, we (science) doesn’t even know what genes are necessary.
If an argument based on such a lack of facts and understanding, as that used by the pro-life anti-abortionists, was used in any other situation it would be summarily dismissed by a wave of the hand.