Congress demands unmannded drones to spy on americans

Interestingly they are not only authorizing unmanned drones- but requiring all aircraft flying in specified air space to be equipped with Nextgen ADS-B technology. This technology would allow the government to use said aircraft for surveillance purposes. Can we all say "hello Big Brother"?

(B) subject to paragraph (2), require all
4 aircraft operating in capacity constrained air5
space, at capacity constrained airports, or in
6 any other airspace deemed appropriate by the
7 Administrator to be equipped with ADS–B In
8 technology by 2020;

USE OF ADS–B TECHNOLOGY.—
4 (1) PLANS.—Not later than 18 months after
5 the date of enactment of this Act, the Administrator
6 shall develop, in consultation with appropriate em7
ployee and industry groups, a plan for the use of
8 ADS–B technology for surveillance and active air
9 traffic control.

include provisions to test the use of
ADS–B technology for surveillance and active
13 air traffic control in specific regions of the
14 United States with the most congested airspace;
 
Yurt said:
if you say so. i'll play devil's advocate here because it is a slow sunday.

what is wrong with the drones or the surveillance?
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i guess nothing. after all, our 4th amendment rights stop at our doorways. we should buy more drones and cameras. install them on every street corner. hi tech microphones all over the place. since digital communications take place over publicly owned airways, all emails and phone calls should be recorded, such records held for 10 years so they can be listened to for criminal activity.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
i guess nothing. after all, our 4th amendment rights stop at our doorways. we should buy more drones and cameras. install them on every street corner. hi tech microphones all over the place. since digital communications take place over publicly owned airways, all emails and phone calls should be recorded, such records held for 10 years so they can be listened to for criminal activity.
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what does this have to do with the 4th?

microphones etc....are under the "expectation of privacy" theory scotus gave us. you cannot listen to phone calls or read emails without a warrant.
 
Yurt said:
if you say so. i'll play devil's advocate here because it is a slow sunday.

what is wrong with the drones or the surveillance?
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Picture being on date by the shores of a babbling book, blanket laid out with the pik-nik basket open, a bottle of half-consumed Ripple chilling on a bag of ice you brought, partaking of a little herb when BUZZZZZ....overhead you see a drone circulating.

Some days I'm happy being an old man having grown up in different times.
 
Yurt said:
what does this have to do with the 4th?

microphones etc....are under the "expectation of privacy" theory scotus gave us. you cannot listen to phone calls or read emails without a warrant.
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1) i was being sarcastic
2) unreasonable search and seizure
3) which theory of 'expectation of privacy' are we talking about? Because over the last year, i've read about 4 different theories, all dependent upon whether a person was found to have committed no crime, a person was suspected of committing a crime, a person definitely committed a crime, and whether video/audio implicates the cops actually violating the 4th amendment under clearly known law.
 
=SmarterThanYou;945574]1) i was being sarcastic[/QUOTE

you are not allowed to be a smartass. that is reserved for me and me alone.

]2) unreasonable search and seizure
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again, still playing DA (do you like how devil's advocate is the same as district attorney?)..........do you have an expectation of privacy regarding the supposed drones?

the theory is - all of the above. tell me, do the four "different" theories actually contadict each other?
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Yurt said:
you are not allowed to be a smartass. that is reserved for me and me alone.
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you're being totally unfair today and i'm not sure I like it.

Yurt said:
again, still playing DA (do you like how devil's advocate is the same as district attorney?)..........do you have an expectation of privacy regarding the supposed drones?
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in 'knock and talk' cases, one does have an expectation of privacy, provided said individual has made it clear that he expects privacy, say like a locked gate and 6 foot fence around the property. now, with drones, a simply flyover removes that expectation of privacy.

Yurt said:
the theory is - all of the above. tell me, do the four "different" theories actually contadict each other?
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the 'mission creep' of exigent circumstances.
 
apple0154 said:
Picture being on date by the shores of a babbling book, blanket laid out with the pik-nik basket open, a bottle of half-consumed Ripple chilling on a bag of ice you brought, partaking of a little herb when BUZZZZZ....overhead you see a drone circulating.

Some days I'm happy being an old man having grown up in different times.
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Thing is, you wouldn't know the drone was there.
 
This is a police state. They have too much money to spend so they have drony and surveillance car watch you to prove they are working hard.

Police roll out video surveillance truck called The Peacemaker
By Ihosvani Rodriguez, Sun Sentinel

8:13 p.m. EST, January 27, 2012
Police and city records show Ouaknine and her motel had been the subject of an undercover operation targeting prostitution starting in September. Ouaknine was arrested on Oct. 28 on three counts of renting rooms to prostitutes for $20 an hour. Her case is pending.

The city's nuisance abatement board sent her a warning letter and summoned her to appear for a hearing in February based on the investigation. It's the second time since 2008 that the board has targeted the motel, city records show.

She says she's doing nothing illegal.

"They've tried everything to shut me down and have failed," she said. "Now they bring this truck to intimidate me and my customers."

Some neighbors surrounding the Parisian Motel say the truck is another form of constant police harassment.

On a recent afternoon, Leo Cooper watched as two undercover street-crime officers jumped out of an unmarked Ford Crown Victoria just yards from the Peacemaker. They began questioning a group of men gathered at the corner. Within minutes, one of the men ran away. A second man was charged with loitering.

"This is what happens here every day. We can't sit outside without being harassed," said Cooper, 27. "Now we have that truck. Most of us are not doing anything wrong. We can't be outside?"

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/fl-neighborhood-crime-surveillance-20120126,0,5814428.story
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