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Ayn Rand, Hugely Popular Author and Inspiration to Right-Wing Leaders, Was a Big Admirer of Serial Killer

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There's something deeply unsettling about living in a country where millions of people froth at the mouth at the idea of giving health care to the tens of millions of Americans who don't have it, or who take pleasure at the thought of privatizing and slashing bedrock social programs like Social Security or Medicare. It might not be so hard to stomach if other Western countries also had a large, vocal chunk of the population that thought like this, but the U.S. is seemingly the only place where right-wing elites can openly share their distaste for the working poor. Where do they find their philosophical justification for this kind of attitude?

It turns out, you can trace much of this thinking back to Ayn Rand, a popular cult-philosopher who exerts a huge influence over much of the right-wing and libertarian crowd, but whose influence is only starting to spread out of the U.S.

One reason most countries don't find the time to embrace Ayn Rand's thinking is that she is a textbook sociopath. In her notebooks Ayn Rand worshiped a notorious serial murderer-dismemberer, and used this killer as an early model for the type of "ideal man" she promoted in her more famous books. These ideas were later picked up on and put into play by major right-wing figures of the past half decade, including the key architects of America's most recent economic catastrophe -- former Fed Chair Alan Greenspan and SEC Commissioner Chris Cox -- along with other notable right-wing Republicans such as Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, Rush Limbaugh and South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford.

The loudest of all the Republicans, right-wing attack-dog pundits and the Teabagger mobs fighting to kill health care reform and eviscerate "entitlement programs" increasingly hold up Ayn Rand as their guru. Sales of her books have soared in the past couple of years; one poll ranked Atlas Shrugged as the second most influential book of the 20th century, after the Bible.

The best way to get to the bottom of Ayn Rand's beliefs is to take a look at how she developed the superhero of her novel, Atlas Shrugged, John Galt. Back in the late 1920s, as Ayn Rand was working out her philosophy, she became enthralled by a real-life American serial killer, William Edward Hickman, whose gruesome, sadistic dismemberment of 12-year-old girl named Marion Parker in 1927 shocked the nation. Rand filled her early notebooks with worshipful praise of Hickman. According to biographer Jennifer Burns, author of Goddess of the Market, Rand was so smitten with Hickman that she modeled her first literary creation -- Danny Renahan, the protagonist of her unfinished first novel, The Little Street -- on him.

What did Rand admire so much about Hickman? His sociopathic qualities: "Other people do not exist for him, and he does not see why they should," she wrote, gushing that Hickman had "no regard whatsoever for all that society holds sacred, and with a consciousness all his own. He has the true, innate psychology of a Superman. He can never realize and feel 'other people.'"

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There's something deeply unsettling about living in a country where millions of people froth at the mouth at the idea of requiring tens of millions of Americans to take responsibility for themselves and who take pleasure at the thought of confiscating the earnings of those that are responsible and hard working to provide social programs for those that refuse to be productive and law abiding, responsible citizens......( Social Security and Medicare ARE PAID FOR by the productive workers during their entire working years to provide a safety net for themselves, and not, e.g., illegal aliens residing here, their children, or citizens of foreign countrys, etc....)

Where do they find their philosophical justification for this kind of attitude?

It turns out, you can trace much of this thinking back to Socialists, Communists and popular cult-philosophers, who exert a huge influence over much of the left-wing and liberal/progressive young crowd, (the gimme generation) whose influence is only starting to spread out of the U.S., in spite of the US Constitution .




Even more amazing.....debt figures like these seem to be of no consequence to the pinheads.....

$15,500,000,000,000 + in Social Security Liability
$20,000,000,000,000 + in Prescription Dug Liability
$81,000,000,000,000 + in Medicare Liability

$117,000,000,000,000 + in Unfunded US Liability

http://www.usdebtclock.org/
 
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[h=2]Ayn Rand's The Little Street[/h] In 1928, the writer Ayn Rand began planning a novel called The Little Street, whose hero, Danny Renahan, was to be based on "what Hickman suggested to [her]." The novel was never finished, but Rand wrote notes for it which were published after her death in the book Journals of Ayn Rand. Rand wanted the hero of her novel to be "A Hickman with a purpose. And without the degeneracy. It is more exact to say that the model is not Hickman, but what Hickman suggested to me." Renahan, which she intended to be based on Hickman, "is born with a wonderful, free, light consciousness -- [resulting from] the absolute lack of social instinct or herd feeling. He does not understand, because he has no organ for understanding, the necessity, meaning, or importance of other people ... Other people do not exist for him and he does not understand why they should." [SUP]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Edward_Hickman#cite_note-journals-2[/SUP] Rand scholars Chris Matthew Sciabarra and Jennifer Burns both interpret Rand's interest in Hickman as a sign of her early admiration of the ideas of Friedrich Nietzsche, especially since she several times referred to Hickman as a "Superman" (in the Nietzschean sense).[SUP]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Edward_Hickman#cite_note-3[/SUP][SUP]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Edward_Hickman#cite_note-4[/SUP] Rand also wrote, "The first thing that impresses me about the case is the ferocious rage of a whole society against one man. No matter what the man did, there is always something loathsome in the 'virtuous' indignation and mass-hatred of the 'majority.'... It is repulsive to see all these beings with worse sins and crimes in their own lives, virtuously condemning a criminal.


Seems scholars with a deeper understanding of authors and their novels have a different view than the shallow bullshit presented by our left-wing partisan pinhead with an agenda to advance.....
 
[h=2]Ayn Rand's The Little Street[/h] In 1928, the writer Ayn Rand began planning a novel called The Little Street, whose hero, Danny Renahan, was to be based on "what Hickman suggested to [her]." The novel was never finished, but Rand wrote notes for it which were published after her death in the book Journals of Ayn Rand. Rand wanted the hero of her novel to be "A Hickman with a purpose. And without the degeneracy. It is more exact to say that the model is not Hickman, but what Hickman suggested to me." Renahan, which she intended to be based on Hickman, "is born with a wonderful, free, light consciousness -- [resulting from] the absolute lack of social instinct or herd feeling. He does not understand, because he has no organ for understanding, the necessity, meaning, or importance of other people ... Other people do not exist for him and he does not understand why they should." [SUP]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Edward_Hickman#cite_note-journals-2[/SUP] Rand scholars Chris Matthew Sciabarra and Jennifer Burns both interpret Rand's interest in Hickman as a sign of her early admiration of the ideas of Friedrich Nietzsche, especially since she several times referred to Hickman as a "Superman" (in the Nietzschean sense).[SUP]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Edward_Hickman#cite_note-3[/SUP][SUP]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Edward_Hickman#cite_note-4[/SUP] Rand also wrote, "The first thing that impresses me about the case is the ferocious rage of a whole society against one man. No matter what the man did, there is always something loathsome in the 'virtuous' indignation and mass-hatred of the 'majority.'... It is repulsive to see all these beings with worse sins and crimes in their own lives, virtuously condemning a criminal.


Seems scholars with a deeper understanding of authors and their novels have a different view than the shallow bullshit presented by our left-wing partisan pinhead with an agenda to advance.....

People who worship sociopath Ayn Rand is not scholarly, they are SICK. Ayn Rand wrote those words of worship and admiration of Hickman and the sickos that worship her added their own interpretation. Rand scholars Chris Matthew Sciabarra and Jennifer Burns both interpret Rand's interest in Hickman as a sign of her early admiration of the ideas of Friedrich Nietzsche

Friedrich Nietzsche influenced Hitler's Mein Kampf.

Rand also wrote, "The first thing that impresses me about the case is the ferocious rage of a whole society against one man. No matter what the man did, there is always something loathsome in the 'virtuous' indignation and mass-hatred of the 'majority.'... It is repulsive to see all these beings with worse sins and crimes in their own lives, virtuously condemning a criminal.


Tell me Bravo. what 'worse sins and crimes in their own lives' do 99% of people commit? Have you ever murdered a 12 year old girl, butchered her body, sewed her eyes open and delivered the head and torso to her father?

What the fuck is wrong with you people?

It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners.
Albert Camus
 
People who worship sociopath Ayn Rand is not scholarly, they are SICK. Ayn Rand wrote those words of worship and admiration of Hickman and the sickos that worship her added their own interpretation. Rand scholars Chris Matthew Sciabarra and Jennifer Burns both interpret Rand's interest in Hickman as a sign of her early admiration of the ideas of Friedrich Nietzsche

Friedrich Nietzsche influenced Hitler's Mein Kampf.

Rand also wrote, "The first thing that impresses me about the case is the ferocious rage of a whole society against one man. No matter what the man did, there is always something loathsome in the 'virtuous' indignation and mass-hatred of the 'majority.'... It is repulsive to see all these beings with worse sins and crimes in their own lives, virtuously condemning a criminal.


Tell me Bravo. what 'worse sins and crimes in their own lives' do 99% of people commit? Have you ever murdered a 12 year old girl, butchered her body, sewed her eyes open and delivered the head and torso to her father?

What the fuck is wrong with you people?

It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners.
Albert Camus
Many 20th century thinkers (particularly in the tradition of continental philosophy) cite him as an important influence, including Martin Heidegger, Jean-Paul Sartre, Leo Strauss, Albert Camus.
Camus seems to have found him an important thinker.....

Just as you cite Camus.....anyway....

I can only repeat what the scholars tell us about the subject....rather that how a left wing partisan ass like you interprets things....

Its true, Nietzsche's prominence suffered a severe setback when his works became associated with Adolf Hitler and the German Reich. Many political leaders of the twentieth century were at least superficially familiar with Nietzsche's ideas, although it is not always possible to determine whether or not they actually read his work.

Hitler, for example, probably never read Nietzsche, and if he did, his reading was not extensive, although he was a frequent visitor to the Nietzsche museum in Weimar and did use expressions of Nietzsche's, such as "lords of the earth" in Mein Kampf.

The Nazis made selective use of Nietzsche's philosophy. Mussolini and Charles de Gaulle read Nietzsche.[109][110] It has been suggested that Theodore Roosevelt read Nietzsche and was profoundly influenced by him,[111] and in more recent years, Richard Nixon read Nietzsche with "curious interest".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzsche

So, many people are influenced by Nietzsche.....as with Rand......a narrow minded moron like you would get a completely different perspective from these authors than someone with a more open mind and a knowledge of the times the writing was done....

Just as the Nazis made selective use of Nietzsche's philosophy, you make selective use of Rands words with your own narrow interpretations of her works.....so you have something in common with the Nazies, how about that........well, most pinheads are selective, sherry pickers when trying to make a point.
 
It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners.
Albert Camus


I forgot to ask,.....who was Camus referring to as executioners....?

It could be the law applying capitol punishment
or
It could be the murderers, cutting the heads off the innocents..........like the Muslim fanatics.
 
Many 20th century thinkers (particularly in the tradition of continental philosophy) cite him as an important influence, including Martin Heidegger, Jean-Paul Sartre, Leo Strauss, Albert Camus.
Camus seems to have found him an important thinker.....

Just as you cite Camus.....anyway....

I can only repeat what the scholars tell us about the subject....rather that how a left wing partisan ass like you interprets things....

Its true, Nietzsche's prominence suffered a severe setback when his works became associated with Adolf Hitler and the German Reich. Many political leaders of the twentieth century were at least superficially familiar with Nietzsche's ideas, although it is not always possible to determine whether or not they actually read his work.

Hitler, for example, probably never read Nietzsche, and if he did, his reading was not extensive, although he was a frequent visitor to the Nietzsche museum in Weimar and did use expressions of Nietzsche's, such as "lords of the earth" in Mein Kampf.

The Nazis made selective use of Nietzsche's philosophy. Mussolini and Charles de Gaulle read Nietzsche.[109][110] It has been suggested that Theodore Roosevelt read Nietzsche and was profoundly influenced by him,[111] and in more recent years, Richard Nixon read Nietzsche with "curious interest".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzsche

So, many people are influenced by Nietzsche.....as with Rand......a narrow minded moron like you would get a completely different perspective from these authors than someone with a more open mind and a knowledge of the times the writing was done....

Just as the Nazis made selective use of Nietzsche's philosophy, you make selective use of Rands words with your own narrow interpretations of her works.....so you have something in common with the Nazies, how about that........well, most pinheads are selective, sherry pickers when trying to make a point.

And you have selectively ignore what I said and the question I asked, because it would cause you to either also praise Hickman, or condemn Rand. You are the one who wants to narrow the interpretation to suit your sick and inhuman ideology.

In Atlas Shrugged Rand describes the working masses as "savages," "refuse," "inanimate objects," and "imitations of living beings," picking through rubbish.

Sure sounds like today's right wingers like you Bravo.
 
And you have selectively ignore what I said and the question I asked, because it would cause you to either also praise Hickman, or condemn Rand. You are the one who wants to narrow the interpretation to suit your sick and inhuman ideology.

In Atlas Shrugged Rand describes the working masses as "savages," "refuse," "inanimate objects," and "imitations of living beings," picking through rubbish.

Sure sounds like today's right wingers like you Bravo.

In a work of fictional writing, you can call anyone anything you need to make a point in the narrative....
You can invent any object or scenario you need....realistic or fantastic.....
Any character, natural or supernatural.....whatever you imagination can conceive....
Her "praise" of Hickman is your narrow-minded perspective on what she wrote....

Rand wanted the hero of her novel to be "A Hickman with a purpose. And without the degeneracy.

She said, "It is more exact to say that the model is not Hickman, but what Hickman suggested to me."
Is that a little to deep for you ?
 
In a work of fictional writing, you can call anyone anything you need to make a point in the narrative....
You can invent any object or scenario you need....realistic or fantastic.....
Any character, natural or supernatural.....whatever you imagination can conceive....
Her "praise" of Hickman is your narrow-minded perspective on what she wrote....

Rand wanted the hero of her novel to be "A Hickman with a purpose. And without the degeneracy.

She said, "It is more exact to say that the model is not Hickman, but what Hickman suggested to me."
Is that a little to deep for you ?

I don't need some 'scholar' to 'interpret' what Rand said about Hickman. I completely understand what she said, and what she means. You can't think for yourself, so go with people who worship Rand to candy coat it so you can lick it up.
 
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