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Darla said:
Nope. Deficit spending is NOT liberal. Both liberal and conservatives have always done it, it's just that cons pay lip service to not doing it...and then go ahead and do the opposite. So they're not only deficit spenders, they're liars.

The only difference is what the money is spent on, and that, does tend to come down on liberal vs con lines.
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The predominant amount of deficit spending has been at the hands of Democrats controlling congress. The reps under bush were the primary example of the opposite, but that is recent. Show me another Rep led congress that spent like that.
 
Onceler said:
Sorry, dear - not when the posters in question make generalized statements like "he's been just like Bush," and "all he does is copy Republicans!"

They flip on a dime, though. It always depends on which argument is more convenient for them. Oh - you're one of them, btw.
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oh i see...now you're moving the goal post from what you said earlier now that you realize you're wrong. and then you have to add an ad hom just for good measure.
 
Onceler said:
They get annoyed by Olbermann? I don't get that; he's crazy intelligent, and really funny.

Go figure...
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Olbermann is a blowhard the likes of Limbaugh. Both are intelligent, both piss off the opposing party with their over the top partisan stupidity. Both have overly inflated egos.
 
Darla said:
No I don't think Manning should be prosecuted. But his case is far more egregious than this one.

I feel that this climate of terrible fear surrounding whistleblowers is bad for Democracy.
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the Manning case is the ONE of the six that most certainly should be prosecuted.
 
Superfreak said:
The predominant amount of deficit spending has been at the hands of Democrats controlling congress. The reps under bush were the primary example of the opposite, but that is recent. Show me another Rep led congress that spent like that.
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You always change the rules back and forth to your liking. It's the president, it's the congress, don't think I didn't see what you did there.

I don't have time to dance to your tune and go find congresses and who led this, so let me just give you a little blast from the recent past:

"Reagan proved deficits don't matter" - Dick Cheney.

:)
 
Superfreak said:
I will agree that the whole 'he be socialist/marxist' is quite absurd, he is most certainly a liberal. He is not 'center-right' as Darla stated. while he may have certain areas where he is center-right, on the whole he is definitely left of center. Not even close to being a centrist, let alone center-right.
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According to what metric?

Below is a link to a study showing Obama is the most moderate Democratic president since WWII. Here's how the presidents break down:

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http://voteview.com/blog/?p=317
 
Superfreak said:
Is that what you would say of the liberals that go apeshit over Limbaugh?
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There really isn't much comparison there. A) Olbermann is a lefty, but man, does he rail Democrats sometimes and B) Limbaugh has openly admitted that he "carries water" for the GOP...
 
Onceler said:
There really isn't much comparison there. A) Olbermann is a lefty, but man, does he rail Democrats sometimes and B) Limbaugh has openly admitted that he "carries water" for the GOP...
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Actually there is a great deal of comparison. But your side will defend Olbermann the same way ditzie would defend Rush and his idiocy.
 
Superfreak said:
So you refuse to explain.... yeah, that is about all the weight your link carries as well.
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I'm am fairly confident that my link and the study results will hold up to scrutiny just a tinge better than whatever the hell you are basing your opinion on, my friend.
 
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