Bush wars have cost $3.7 trillion over the past decade

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You don't know anything about the origins of the Iraq War. If you did, you wouldn't scoff at the notion that Bush was a puppet. He was.

And again - the crash was about negligence & fiscal irresponsibility, not power (repeated, since you seem to have missed that).

prove it. prove bush was a puppet. if you have the ability to crash an entire economy because of negligence....then yes....you do have power. your BDS is the most extreme case i've ever seen.
 
Sure thing, bravs. I have little doubt that - if you thought you could get away with it - you'd pin Iraq on Barney Frank...


You need to read Mark Levin's “Ameritopia” to open your eyes about the roots of the problems we face today................
 
prove it. prove bush was a puppet. if you have the ability to crash an entire economy because of negligence....then yes....you do have power. your BDS is the most extreme case i've ever seen.

Prove it?

Yurt...do you know what PNAC was? Do you know who Paul Wolfowicz was?

Seriously, it's embarassing to hear you talk about Iraq. You know zilch about it. The economy & Iraq were actually similar as far as Bush was concerned - he was a weak leader. He let himself be manipulated & used for Iraq, and ignored the economy.

Your attempts to equate any of it with "power' are really pretty desperate. You're a fool.
 
and? obama has been in office less than half the time bush was in office.
he was given the plane when it was already in a nose dive. It hasn't hit the ground yet and OF he gets four more years we'll see where it ends up. Republicans want to pretend he took over in level flight and that is intellectually dishonest.
 
Yet when he spent the budget surplus and buried America under a mountain of debt, the Righties were largely silent.

Now that the US is broke because of the Bush policy of tax cuts and wild spending on lost wars, and the 1% has expropriated the wealth of the middle class, they want to start crying about deficits and the cost of "Obamacare"...:palm:


http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/29/us-usa-war-idUSTRE75S25320110629
The US is still broke, Obamacrat. What is your Communist hero doing to dig us out?
 
right....because bush was just puppet....oh wait....until he is so powerful as to crash the entire economy

you hacks can't get anything right
c was the major warmonger but iraq was the war to avenge the attempt on poppy's life by sadahm and c helped

we need to get out of afghanistan as soon as possible now that the massacre has occurred and hand the mess back to karzai
 
c was the major warmonger but iraq was the war to avenge the attempt on poppy's life by sadahm and c helped

we need to get out of afghanistan as soon as possible now that the massacre has occurred and hand the mess back to karzai

I frankly cannot see how allowing Afghanistan to revert back to the shithole it was when the Taliban ruled is any kind of a solution. One of the primary reasons for being there that is not very often mentioned is to prevent the Taliban, AQ etc. taking over Pakistan. Can you imagine the scenario of fundamentalists being in control of nuclear weapons?
 
I frankly cannot see how allowing Afghanistan to revert back to the shithole it was when the Taliban ruled is any kind of a solution. One of the primary reasons for being there that is not very often mentioned is to prevent the Taliban, AQ etc. taking over Pakistan. Can you imagine the scenario of fundamentalists being in control of nuclear weapons?

there are taliban and aq in pakistan already, the ones we drove out of afghanistan

while it is true that we need to train up the afghan army, like getting them to read, write and speak english along with weapons training
 
there are taliban and aq in pakistan already, the ones we drove out of afghanistan

while it is true that we need to train up the afghan army, like getting them to read, write and speak english along with weapons training

So as soon as the troops leave they will swarm back into Afghanistan making it much harder for the Pakistan military to get them.
 
Bush's adventures have all ended in failure. Obama should've gotten us out the day he was inaugurated.
 
You need to read Mark Levin's “Ameritopia” to open your eyes about the roots of the problems we face today................

Or one could read Is “human nature” a barrier to socialism?

(Excerpt) In reality, it is capitalism that stifles the motivation and creativity of the majority of the population “the working class”. There is nothing more unmotivating than being forced to do the same repetitive job for 8 or 12 hours per day just to pay your bills.

As the American socialist Eugene Debs put it: “[People] do not shrink from work, but from slavery. The [person] who works primarily for another does so primarily under compulsion, and work so done is the very essence of slavery.”

But if workers collectively owned and managed their workplaces in a democratic socialist economy rather than taking orders from a boss, workers would be much more motivated.

And if all jobs provided good pay, benefits, and security, people would pursue careers they enjoyed rather than jobs that just provide economic security, which would make people far more productive.


As the history of the trade union movement has shown, working people have the most power to improve our lives when we work collectively instead of desperately trying to succeed as individuals in a system rigged against us.

Ironically, it is the same pro-capitalist ideologues who preach that people are too “greedy” for socialism who then turn around to demand workers “tighten their belts for the common good” whenever they want to lower our wages, lay us off, or cut our social programs.

The ruling class would have us believe that capitalism or class society is the inevitable result of human nature. While biology determines certain aspects of our behavior, human nature is not a permanent, unchanging thing that magically fell from the sky. How we act, and how we relate to the world and each other, develops in response to the changing material conditions of society and our relationship to the natural world. (Emphasis added)

Shortening the workweek, sharing out the work with the unemployed, and providing for people’s basic needs would liberate women and men to finally take control over their lives and pursue all forms of creative and intellectual endeavors, unleashing humanity’s vast creative potential. (End)
http://www.socialistworld.net/doc/4473

Human nature. We see the bully in the sandbox grabbing other children’s toys but we also see children in the sand box sharing. Which action is “human nature”, the bullying or the sharing? The answer is neither. It depends on how the children have experienced life prior to getting in the sand box.

Not only does Western society glorify competition but it punishes the “loser” by inflicting upon them unnecessary hardships including, in some countries, denial of medical care. Poor housing, inadequate food and limited medical care which result in a shorter life span.

Competition is not human nature. It is a condition practiced by human beings in order to survive. If there weren't any Police and everyone had to defend themselves and their property using force the use of force would not be considered human nature. There’s nothing “naturally human” about competition other than the will to survive which is practiced by all living things. Once the necessity is removed the “nature” is changed.

That has been proven, over and over, by raising cats and birds together or cats and mice together. One can say it’s a cat’s nature to kill birds and mice for food but when raised together they do not kill birds and mice.

The human nature argument is a fallacy propagated by the greedy to justify their greed.
 
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