State's Rights

Rana said:
Or you did...libertarians never take responsibility, they always tist it back to the other guys.
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Again, where should they take responsibility? What level of government were they controlling in this case that you can point to to say, "Look, they did a bad job of it!"?

Seriously.. The only people in charge were those you guys agree with, it isn't the Libertarian POV represented by what has happened here.
 
Damocles said:
Again, where should they take responsibility? What level of government were they controlling in this case that you can point to to say, "Look, they did a bad job of it!"?

Seriously.. The only people in charge were those you guys agree with, it isn't the Libertarian POV represented by what has happened here.
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Damo, her argument is that Libertarian ideology states that the Fed doesn't get involved in state issues and therefore if the federal government was being run by Libertarians in this case Zimmerman would get off with murder. It's why minorities and most women vote Democratic and why we have a power federal government to prevent failures at the local government level such as this.
 
Johnny Rocketfingers said:
This entire thread is infected with critical levels of stupid. When I get out of class I have a few questions for Darla. Also, on a side note, Darla, if your opening post were directions from my house to Canada (a short 30 min drive) I would have taken 12 hours to reach your given destination, which as it turns out is the middle of Iowa.

What I'm saying is, you are one of the most incoherent posters here.
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Billy, I want to hear your opinion on this.
 
Darla said:
I'm going to rewrite my OP to reflect what I really think. I think this will help everyone understand me better:

It's weird how I constantly cry and whine about things that I clearly do not understand. I guess I do it so that I can lob grenades at large groups of people whose philosophies are to complex for my little mind to understand. I thus make proclamations that make no sense and then scream racism or sexism because that is my feeble attempt to shut down any opposing views. I really don't care about Martin or what happened to him, in fact I fully support the lynching of blacks, and oh by the way, I am indeed a man hater, but I love sausage - just not browned! Why I can't attract a man is no mystery - cause hey, bitches be crazy!

So here I am making an even larger fool of myself by proclaiming the state failed because we all know that the state should jump on every local case within an hour of the crime being committed. I really don't know what my position is other than the Federal government should be my master. Especially if it has to do with condoms... I am all about them giving out free condoms.

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An interesting read... thanks...
 
cawacko said:
Damo, her argument is that Libertarian ideology states that the Fed doesn't get involved in state issues and therefore if the federal government was being run by Libertarians in this case Zimmerman would get off with murder. It's why minorities and most women vote Democratic and why we have a power federal government to prevent failures at the local government level such as this.
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Okay, I officially have a brain tumor! I have been feeling weird all day ( not a joke, I am dead serious). My head has been swimming and I have a really weird feeling in my head. And now I come on here and cawacko is explaning my position, but Damo and SF can't grasp it?
 
Darla said:
I don't even know what the f my post was about anymore! You guys, after years of gaslighting me, have finally driven me crazy! Are you happy now?

Actually I am cracking up. This has to be the funniest shit I have read here in a while. SF goes off the deep end, and you actually come in and defend him. I will expect a post from you shortly explaining why I should go running back to Cypress! :rolleyes:

But I :loveu: you anyway Damo.

And seriously, I thank you guys for the laughs. I have to get some work done now.
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The only one that has gone off the deep end is you. But I know, Dung and Oncelor and Rana running to defend you has given your self esteem a boost. Doesn't change the fact that none of you are going to actually tell us how the state failed. Instead you just continue with moronic posts like the above.
 
Rana said:
I didn't see her come out and make a personal attack against you. Where did she mention your name. I just think you saw yourself in her OP and didn't like it.
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She attacked Libertarians, Conservatives and Reps. I am close to the first, am the second, not the third. So yes, I do take offense when she once again tries to label us as racists women haters etc...
 
cawacko said:
Damo, her argument is that Libertarian ideology states that the Fed doesn't get involved in state issues and therefore if the federal government was being run by Libertarians in this case Zimmerman would get off with murder. It's why minorities and most women vote Democratic and why we have a power federal government to prevent failures at the local government level such as this.
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And I am pointing out that you are both incorrect about Libertarian philosophy.

Remember, the minorities and women voted for the people in charge of those who didn't arrest the guy.
 
Darla said:
Okay, I officially have a brain tumor! I have been feeling weird all day ( not a joke, I am dead serious). My head has been swimming and I have a really weird feeling in my head. And now I come on here and cawacko is explaning my position, but Damo and SF can't grasp it?
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So basically you are expressing dismay that if this idiot (me) can understand your position how come the smart people on the board can't.

I will accept your very backhanded compliment.

And I'm not suggesting your position is correct I'm just stating what I thought your position was.
 
Damocles said:
And I am pointing out that you are both incorrect about Libertarian philosophy.

Remember, the minorities and women voted for the people in charge of those who didn't arrest the guy.
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I didn't state I agreed her position I stated what her position was.
 
Damocles said:
And I am pointing out that you are both incorrect about Libertarian philosophy.

Remember, the minorities and women voted for the people in charge of those who didn't arrest the guy.
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So Libertarians don't support states rights over the Feds? The guys who didn't arrest him are following their interpretation of the deadly force law. Libertarians, as I have experienced them on this forum support the kinds of laws Florida has put into place, which seems very Libertarian.
 
Darla said:
It's interesting because STY is arguing that the feds cannot prosecute this and that it is a state matter.

And no one is arguing with him.

Hmmm...

Now, the real life impact of his argument, if he and his win the day, will be that a man who murdered a 17 yo black youth in cold blood, will walk free.

Period.

But no one is arguing with him.
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Who wants to try to have a rational conversation with an irrational person?
 
Superfreak said:
She attacked Libertarians, Conservatives and Reps. I am close to the first, am the second, not the third. So yes, I do take offense when she once again tries to label us as racists women haters etc...
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Well, SF, it is the appearance you have given lately and your outbursts don't help your case that you aren't. You protest too much.
 
cawacko said:
I didn't state I agreed her position I stated what her position was.
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I think I was looking at Rana's name when I hit quote.

I agree with your translation, I just continue to point out that the position itself is fallacious. You'd have to ignore the Libertarian belief that cops should be held responsible when they violate 4th Amendment rights, that they too should face arrest and conviction when they murder people like Amadou Dialo...

You'd have to ignore a whole host of the beliefs to come up with this argument. If Libertarians were in charge, based on this weak explanation given by the killer, I believe that Zimmerman would have been arrested that very night and that the whole "Feds would need to step in" argument is baseless.
 
cawacko said:
I didn't state I agreed her position I stated what her position was.
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Funny... because it seemed like her position was that white men are evil. That Libertarian ideology led to Zimmerman not being charged. That the state failed (despite the fact that the killing took place about three weeks ago).
 
Rana said:
Well, SF, it is the appearance you have given lately and your outbursts don't help your case that you aren't. You protest too much.
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Ah, so now you are going to join in on the racist/sexist bullshit?

As for lately... I was on vacation for over a week. Wasn't even on the site. So please take your pathetic bullshit and keep it to yourself.
 
Damocles said:
So you are saying that although the only people in power have not been Libertarians, it is the Libertarians who would have done it all wrong and that guy who shot the kid wouldn't be arrested if they were in charge?

Seriously?
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No, she has been quite clear in saying she believe that libertarians and other state's rights folks, given their druthers, would not have federal involvement in this issue.
 
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