Juan Williams on Martin case...

bravo said:
Then how about recalling the words of non-other than Jesse Jackson......

"There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved. . . .


Just imagine if a white had uttered these very same words......the pinheads like we see on this forum would be calling him or her a racist, bigot and every vile name under the sun for doing nothing more than speaking the truth.....
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I started to post the same comment. Thanks
 
Onceler said:
The problem w/ Williams' article is the same problem that we've seen w/ some of the threads on this board. It assumes that people are marching because a non-black killed a black.

People are marching because in the 1st few days, it appears that someone - who was caught on tape stalking a guy - got away with murder. If Zimmerman had been arrested, there would have been no marches. The black-on-black crime that Williams talks about doesn't get marches, because if people are caught, they're arrested.
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Then let's discuss this; because I'm undecided.
1st question: Why should he be arrested?
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Then let's discuss this; because I'm undecided.
1st question: Why should he be arrested?
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The prosecutor thought his story had inconsistencies and believed Zimmerman should have been arrested. He followed Martin, and it resulted in the young man's death, against the advice of the dispatcher. This is why I believe he should at least be an arrest so the evidence could be presented to a court to make a decision of innocence or guilt.
 
Superfreak said:
Williams is a moderate Dem. I don't usually agree with much of what he writes/says, but it did seem a compelling piece with very valid points. He wasn't trying to minimize the Martin case, but rather bring into focus larger issues that should be discussed. Not just by the black community, but by all of us.
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I've worked with juvenile criminals and in conversations, they will tell you that everyone wears a hoodie; because it makes it nearly impossible for anyone to identify them.
They throw the hoddie away, if they think they're going to be caught and it changes their appearance dramtically.
The same way with the wearing of two shirts.
Now tie in the attitude of "appearing tough" and you have an entire culture of young men, not just Blacks, who put themselves in high risk situations.

You have kids shooting other kids; because of the "color" they were wearing.

Factor in all this and add in the "message" that certain role models are projecting.

Someone want to tell me where the real problem lies?
 
Rana said:
Why isn't Juan organizing these marches? It seems you want to change things for blacks you take a stance instead of just writing columns. I have no doubt in my mind that Jesse and Al work very hard to change things for the better. They realize that black on black crime is serious, but they do something about it instead of just talking.
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When's the last time they had a march through Chicago, Detroit, New York, LA, Dallas, Phoenix, etc; over the number of blacks killing blacks?
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
I've worked with juvenile criminals and in conversations, they will tell you that everyone wears a hoodie; because it makes it nearly impossible for anyone to identify them.
They throw the hoddie away, if they think they're going to be caught and it changes their appearance dramtically.
The same way with the wearing of two shirts.
Now tie in the attitude of "appearing tough" and you have an entire culture of young men, not just Blacks, who put themselves in high risk situations.

You have kids shooting other kids; because of the "color" they were wearing.

Factor in all this and add in the "message" that certain role models are projecting.

Someone want to tell me where the real problem lies?
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There are many reasons, poverty, abuse, non nurturing home life, mental illness, peer pressure, adolescent rebellion, peer pressure.

I don't think there one answer.
 
Superfreak said:
Which is why you are the only one from the left that is commenting on the actual article rather than attacking Williams for being a 'token' or for working for 'Fox' etc....

I don't think he is trying to alleviate the situation with his comments. I think he is trying to get people to look deeper at some of the things that lead to the perception of 'young black man = dangerous'. I don't think he is trying to excuse Zimmerman's actions or the profiling. Given the black resident that was quoted saying 'we have had increased crime and it is mostly blacks doing it' kind of lends credence to being suspicious of a black kid that isn't known.

I wouldn't say I hate them, but I do hate how they climb on in self promoting ways to cases like these. Yet in the cases of Duke Lacrosse, Gates and now Zimmerman/Martin, they come out swinging the racists charges and then disappear when more details come out that show they jumped the gun.

I agree they have done some good, but I am failing to see how they have improved conditions for the black community (at least in the past decade or so).
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Look at the criticism that the Black community gave Bill Cosby and Chris Rock, for "airing dirty laundry in public".
 
Rana said:
The prosecutor thought his story had inconsistencies and believed Zimmerman should have been arrested. He followed Martin, and it resulted in the young man's death, against the advice of the dispatcher. This is why I believe he should at least be an arrest so the evidence could be presented to a court to make a decision of innocence or guilt.
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Are you saying that the evidence can't be presented and then an arrest made.
Everyone screaming about this continues to try and paint Martin as some kind of Saint and no one even knows what happened.
Why is the statement from the witness being ignored?
Seems to me that you want people who might be innocent to be jailed, until they can prove their innocent.

And if the attorney is so "sure", why hasn't he issued an arrest warrent; seeing as how that's where they originate?
 
Rana said:
There are many reasons, poverty, abuse, non nurturing home life, mental illness, peer pressure, adolescent rebellion, peer pressure.

I don't think there one answer.
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So let's just ignore it and focus on the crimes of "another race" on black!
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
When's the last time they had a march through Chicago, Detroit, New York, LA, Dallas, Phoenix, etc; over the number of blacks killing blacks?
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This is about parents who felt their dead's sons rights were being violated and wanted an investigation into the incident. Zimmerman's actions have brought the race issue into the whole matter.

It seems there will be an investigation into the actions of the Sanford police department.

If there is a race issue here, it will be investigated.

Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are leaders who focus on racial descrimination, that is their cause. They also have addressed the problem in the black community, but their forte' is discrimination.
 
Rana said:
This is about parents who felt their dead's sons rights were being violated and wanted an investigation into the incident. Zimmerman's actions have brought the race issue into the whole matter.

It seems there will be an investigation into the actions of the Sanford police department.

If there is a race issue here, it will be investigated.

Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are leaders who focus on racial descrimination, that is their cause. They also have addressed the problem in the black community, but their forte' is discrimination.
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You don't think that discrimination plays into any of the deaths, in those cities I've mentioned?
And what those Black parents who might feel that their dead's sons rights were being violated?

If they truly cared about the rights of Blacks, they would start at the grass roots problem and stop trying to be a couple of media whores.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
So let's just ignore it and focus on the crimes of "another race" on black!
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I don't think it is ring ignored, at least not in Anchorage. The black community works hard to find solutions. They have mentoring programs, have built civic centers and numerous other things. The blacks are well aware of the problems their communities face.

There is also Bridge Builders, a program that brings together the different ethnicities and they sponsor activities to build relations and to educate on other cultures.
 
bravo said:
Hes a role model.....not an activist......Al and Jesse are idiots, activists and race baiters that pick and choose issues that divide the races....kinda like you.
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why...bravo didn't just attack the poster, did he?


Onceler said:
Did bravs just attack the poster?

Can't be!
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I know...how can bravo, who whines CONSTANTLY about other posters "attacking the poster", wouldn't do exactly the same thing himself, now would he?


bravo said:
No...He also commented on the post.....


And again....comment on the poster, ignore the post....#103
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Yeah, that was YOU Chachi, attacking the poster...you really ARE just another "do as I say and not as I do" Rightie, aren't ya?
 
ZappasGuitar said:
ROFLMAO!!!

25 posts in...barely TWO pages of replies and SF once again resorts to changing the other guy's posts in order to hijack the thread because they don't like the way the discussion has played out.
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ROFLMAO.... once again the moron Zappa didn't actually read the thread and once again Zappa doesn't have anything of value to add to the thread.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
You don't think that discrimination plays into any of the deaths, in those cities I've mentioned?
And what those Black parents who might feel that their dead's sons rights were being violated?

If they truly cared about the rights of Blacks, they would start at the grass roots problem and stop trying to be a couple of media whores.
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They do get to the grass roots and the black on black parents have the same rights as Trayvon's parents to bring nation attention to their sons rights being denied by law enforcement, ad then the nation will respond in kind.
 
Rana said:
I don't think it is ring ignored, at least not in Anchorage. The black community works hard to find solutions. They have mentoring programs, have built civic centers and numerous other things. The blacks are well aware of the problems their communities face.

There is also Bridge Builders, a program that brings together the different ethnicities and they sponsor activities to build relations and to educate on other cultures.
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This discussion started about why Sharpton and every other "activist" who wants to crawl out the woodwork, when it's a "white on black" thing.
Where are they when we have so much "black on black" crime?
 
Rana said:
They do get to the grass roots and the black on black parents have the same rights as Trayvon's parents to bring nation attention to their sons rights being denied by law enforcement, ad then the nation will respond in kind.
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This comes right back to an previoius question of mine.
Why aren't they organizing protests and march's, condemning the black on black murders, in major cities?
 
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