It was the state attorney's office, not local authorities

[Bonestorm]

he said he was walking slowly, looking into people's houses. funny how you tried to back off the racism, and yet here you are bringing it up again.

I don't think he said what you claim he said. I'm not backing off or bringing up anything. I'm being descriptive. A black teenager in a hoodie was walking down the street. That's descriptive.

what part of, you and i were not there so we don't know everything that zimmerman observed. you want to claim as fact that he could not have observed him being on drugs....that is simply not true. he COULD have. and he did state some reasons he thought he was on drugs.

You didn't say "could." You said that Zimmerman observed certain actions. And he didn't state any good reasons he thought he was on drugs. Like I said, people walk down the street not on drugs all the time.

go listen to the tape again. there is no transcript of it, but you're obviously only hearing what you want to hear.

I'm asking you what you meant by "other suspicious activity." I cannot figure out what the fuck you meant without you telling me what you meant even if I listen to the tape eleventy billion times. What did you mean by "other suspicious activity?"

the difference between my speculation and your is that i'm not trying to pass it as fact. you've already convicted zimmerman without knowing all the facts.

OK. I stand in awe of your tremendous fair-mindedness.

 

[christiefan915]

How about yourself....if you see a person you don't know walking around your neighborhood at night, wouldn't you be suspicious......would it matter if the person was white, black or Indian or Asian....

No, I wouldn't. Because the neighborhood's composed of public streets open to anyone, whether I know them or not.

 

[christiefan915]

what is truly funny about you and other libs who are crying about "fairness"....is that you guys are completely in martin's camp and have convicted zimmerman on pure speculation. pointing that out to you is not bias. even mott is pointing it out, but since mott leans left, that is ok.

i've called zimmerman out, but oh no, that isn't good enough. unless i completely agree with you, i'm biased.



btw...still waiting for the name calling cite.

It's in the same post where you dishonestly stated that I "claimed it was solely because he was black, then you used his words which showed it was not just that."

There is no such post on this thread. Moron.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

I imagine he is reffering to your ignorance, for not realizing that the stand your ground law is likely what disuaded the state's attorney from pressing charges

other than the ignorance remark, this is as it should be. people defending themselves shouldn't have to prove it in court. It should be the other way around with the government proving that a crime was committed.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Well that makes no sense. So you let the guy walk instead?

What do you mean "in what way do I wonder this"? I wonder in all ways! Simply stated if there's something wrong with this law that is causing people to die uneccessarily than it needs to be fixed or repealed whatever that problem may be.

what would you prefer? like my other statement, should we consider everyone a criminal and then make them prove otherwise?

 

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This is what we have according to the girlfriend.

In a telephone interview with ABC, a woman the network identified as Martin's girlfriend said he described Zimmerman as "crazy" shortly before his death.

The girlfriend had been talking on the phone with Martin before he was shot, the Martin family's lawyer has said. She told ABC that Martin "was walking fast when he said this man (was) behind him again."
"He come and say this look like he about to do something to him," she said. "And then Trayvon come and said the man was still behind him, then I come and say, 'Run.' "
Family attorney Benjamin Crump said last week that Martin told his girlfriend he was not going to run. According to the girlfriend's account of the call, Martin asked Zimmerman, "What are you stopping me for?" To which Zimmerman replied, "What are you doing around here?"
The girlfriend said she got the impression an altercation was taking place and that someone had pushed Martin, because the headset fell out of his ear and the phone shut off, Crump said. He said that account undercut's Zimmerman's claims of self-defense.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/28/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html

Yes, I know... but she was not there and the above doesn't change the fact that we don't know who approached who. According to her, Martin was the first to initiate the talk and according to her, they each asked a question and then a 'scuffle' started. Someone jumped into a fight pretty quickly. Again, I can see justification for Martin doing so as I feel he had a right to defend himself to what he likely thought to be a stalker or someone that could potentially harm him. That said, we do not know and the girls account does nothing to contradict Zimmermans statement.

 

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It's in the same post where you dishonestly stated that I "claimed it was solely because he was black, then you used his words which showed it was not just that."

There is no such post on this thread. Moron.

cite the name i called you. why is it you can't simply cite the name? and you did claim that...

what do you mean by "no such post"? no such post about what?

 

[christiefan915]

what would you prefer? like my other statement, should we consider everyone a criminal and then make them prove otherwise?

That's exactly what Zimmerman did.

 

[christiefan915]

cite the name i called you. why is it you can't simply cite the name? and you did claim that...

what do you mean by "no such post"? no such post about what?

My god, you're an idiot. Post 29. I did not say anything on this thread about Martin being black, yet you wrote that I did.

Originally Posted by christiefan915
Are you saying Martin was a suspicious person, and you weren't there? Speculation.





Yurt: did i say martin was? i asked what law says you can't follow "A" suspicious person. you're claiming zimmerman did not have the "right" to follow him. so again, tell me the law that says zimmerman could not follow him if HE thought he was acting suspicious. you claimed it was solely because he was black, then you used his words which showed it was not just that.

stop jumping the gun before you know all the facts. you did the same thing in the loughner matter and ate serious crow for it.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

That's exactly what Zimmerman did.

that is your assumption, yet you didn't answer my question.

do we consider everyone involved in a shooting a criminal and make them prove they are innocent, or do we continue the judicial standard of innocent until proven guilty????

 

[Phantasmal]

He only asked him, after Martin exhibited thuggish behavior and confronted Zimmerman.

He exhibited teenage behavior.

 

[Phantasmal]

there was racism in the 40's and 50's...shocking i tell you...i'm sure no where else in america had racial issues back then.

why is it always about race when the victim is black?

What a silly question.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

What a silly question.

what is silly about it? is it your claim that all crime with black victims is about race?

 

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My god, you're an idiot. Post 29. I did not say anything on this thread about Martin being black, yet you wrote that I did.

Originally Posted by christiefan915
Are you saying Martin was a suspicious person, and you weren't there? Speculation.





Yurt: did i say martin was? i asked what law says you can't follow "A" suspicious person. you're claiming zimmerman did not have the "right" to follow him. so again, tell me the law that says zimmerman could not follow him if HE thought he was acting suspicious. you claimed it was solely because he was black, then you used his words which showed it was not just that.

stop jumping the gun before you know all the facts. you did the same thing in the loughner matter and ate serious crow for it.

look who is name calling now....

i'll take as an admission you lied about me name calling, because you have yet to produce the name i called you.

why is i'm nuts for name calling, but you're not?

 

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My god, you're an idiot. Post 29. I did not say anything on this thread about Martin being black, yet you wrote that I did.

Originally Posted by christiefan915
Are you saying Martin was a suspicious person, and you weren't there? Speculation.





Yurt: did i say martin was? i asked what law says you can't follow "A" suspicious person. you're claiming zimmerman did not have the "right" to follow him. so again, tell me the law that says zimmerman could not follow him if HE thought he was acting suspicious. you claimed it was solely because he was black, then you used his words which showed it was not just that.

stop jumping the gun before you know all the facts. you did the same thing in the loughner matter and ate serious crow for it.

i never said it was in this thread....

Who died and left Zimmerman in charge of the neighborhood? Who gave him the right to confront a pedestrian, based on no evidence of suspicious behaviour except walking while black?

Zimmerman acting in self-defense, please. Kind of blows the argument that carrying a gun will protect you, huh! He outweighed an unarmed teenager by 100 lbs. but was afraid for his safety, I suppose that's the defense you're putting out. FYI, that's no defense.

care to apologize now?

 

[Phantasmal]

what is silly about it? is it your claim that all crime with black victims is about race?

No, but there have been recent complaints from residents that the back community isn't getting from the police department the same treatment that others receive. This is still a problem in the USA. I know some people try to down play this issue, and that why this problem still exists in our country.

This particular case appears to have raial overtones. The young child's body lay in the morgue for days, even with his father filing a missing persons report and the police being in possession of his cell phone. If it isn't because of his race, then it was terrible oversight.

All the details to this crime will be studied, but from where I sit, Sanford has a problem and a smell is coming from their police department. There is a history of racism and it appears to still exist.

 

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No, but there have been recent complaints from residents that the back community isn't getting from the police department the same treatment that others receive. This is still a problem in the USA. I know some people try to down play this issue, and that why this problem still exists in our country.

This particular case appears to have raial overtones. The young child's body lay in the morgue for days, even with his father filing a missing persons report and the police being in possession of his cell phone. If it isn't because of his race, then it was terrible oversight.

All the details to this crime will be studied, but from where I sit, Sanford has a problem and a smell is coming from their police department. There is a history of racism and it appears to still exist.

that could be. but it seems to me that virtually every time there is a black victim and a white attacker or whatever, the left always jumps up and cries racism. yet...the reverse is not true.

not everything is always related to race.

 

[Phantasmal]

that could be. but it seems to me that virtually every time there is a black victim and a white attacker or whatever, the left always jumps up and cries racism. yet...the reverse is not true.

not everything is always related to race.

The left doesn't always do it, but when it appears evident, they, I want to make sure it isn't overlooked. The big way to get rid of a problem is to shine a big light on it, deal with it and not try to ignore it. It was what the USA has done with its other social ills. It is what keeps a society strong.

 

[Onceler]

that could be. but it seems to me that virtually every time there is a black victim and a white attacker or whatever, the left always jumps up and cries racism. yet...the reverse is not true.

not everything is always related to race.

Can you give a few more examples of that? I'd love to hear where you think it wasn't warranted.

I think in this case, it's pretty clear that there was profiling going on.

 

[Onceler]

The left doesn't always do it, but when it appears evident, they, I want to make sure it isn't overlooked. The big way to get rid of a problem is to shine a big light on it, del with it and not try to ignore it. It was what the USA has done with its other octal ills. It is what keeps a society strong.

I think that Yurt believes racism no longer exists in society, at least against blacks.

He gets nuts over perceived black-on-white racism, though.