police video does not show zimmerman with injuries

Taichiliberal said:
STY has bent over backwards to defend Zimmerman and put his head up his own ass. Let me deconstruct his BS
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you can't deconstruct shit because you know jack shit. I've consistently been on here telling both fucking sides that they don't have all the facts while detailing what both sides have been alleging. your idiocy of stating i'm defending zimmerman makes you look like a moron.


Taichiliberal said:
Because the dispatch did not say "you are ordered by law enforcement not to follow", STY says that essentially gave Zimmerman the option to continue to follow Martin. This is a typical game apologist like STY like to play whenever they’re caught doing wrong.
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while still looking like the moron you've become known to be, let me explain to you the way of the legal world. a dispatcher is not a sworn police officer with powers of arrest and authority, therefore any statement or directive of a dispatcher is not a lawful order and does not have to be followed.

Taichiliberal said:
Suddenly, they have the mental comprehension skills of a 5th grader.unless you S-P-E-L-L it out for them, they literally just follow what you say. But the transcript of the conversation tells a different story, as the dispatch told Zimmerman that the cops were on the way, and when the dispatch told Zimmerman "We don’t need you to do that", Zimmerman replied, "Okay". So being TOLD that cops were on the way and there was no need for further pursuit, Zimmerman decides to continue DESPITE acknowledging to the dispatch that he would follow the direction NOT to follow Martin. And again, if you violate the rules that allows your organization to function with law enforcement’s sanction, you are in violation of a law. Period.
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please cite this law you are stating was violated. otherwise the only thin you're doing is whining because 'there ought to be a law'.


Taichiliberal said:
Here, let me dumb it down for you: HOW FUCKING STUPID IS THE STATE OF FLORIDA TO GIVE A CCWP TO A GUY WITH TWO COUNTS OF TEMPERMENT RELATED ISSUES THAT BROUGHT HIM BEFORE THE COURTS? So any schumck can get a gun in Florida so long as he does "community service" for resisting arrest and coming close enough to beating his girlfriend that the judge orders them to stay away from each other? Jeezus!
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This might be extremely difficult for your intellectually handicapped brain to understand, but this is the USA. A land where 'we the people' have 'rights', not privileges. The law in florida concerning concealed weapons licenses is very detail oriented and spells out pretty clearly what qualifications are required for recieving a license. If you don't like the fact that zimmerman was able to plea down certain charges in order to keep his 'rights', then your argument is with the government of florida. personally, the fact that you object to the issuance of licenses to people with known aggressive tendencies only furthers my belief that not only should the law be upheld, but it should be abolished making unlicensed concealed carry completely lawful.

Taichiliberal said:
We know Zimmerman wasn’t arrested, you neocon blowhard…THAT’S THE WHOLE POINT OF PUBLIC OUTRAGE! There was enough preliminary evidence TO ARREST HIM, but Wolfinger (who’s connected to Zimmerman Sr.) prevented such.
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was zimmerman transported in the back of a police car in handcuffs and then questioned????? that answer is YES!, therefore he was arrested. that he wasn't charged and ordered held without bail is what's pissing you off and that is simply because your liberal idiocy is already convinced of his guilt.

now that i've thoroughly embarrassed the shit out of you, come back when you can pull your head and tail out of your ass.
 
Posted by STY; while still looking like the moron you've become known to be, let me explain to you the way of the legal world. a dispatcher is not a sworn police officer with powers of arrest and authority, therefore any statement or directive of a dispatcher is not a lawful order and does not have to be followed.

You don't know this to be true. Often a police officer is the dispatcher, especialy in small towns like Sanford.
 
It's hilarious to watch SmarterThanFew support police for a change.
 
Rune said:
Posted by STY; while still looking like the moron you've become known to be, let me explain to you the way of the legal world. a dispatcher is not a sworn police officer with powers of arrest and authority, therefore any statement or directive of a dispatcher is not a lawful order and does not have to be followed.

You don't know this to be true. Often a police officer is the dispatcher, especialy in small towns like Sanford.
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wrong. even in small towns, the dispatcher is often a police employee that has a uniform like a police officer, but they do not have LEO certifications entitling them to be authorities of the government.
 
\\(())// said:
It's hilarious to watch SmarterThanFew support police for a change.
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I'll support police when they are in the right. I am even supporting the police in the following story...

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2012/mar/30/i-dont-care-who-you-are-71-year-old-woman-with/

where they did a caretaker check on a 71 year old woman. judging by the stories, they did everything right and were forced to shoot her.

However, i'm not supporting the sanford police at this point, simply because we still don't have all the information. the one thing that they did do even though the idiots are saying they didn't, was they DID arrest zimmerman. they had to release him though because the prosecutor refused to charge him at that time.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
STY has bent over backwards to defend Zimmerman and put his head up his own ass. Let me deconstruct his BS
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you can't deconstruct shit because you know jack shit. I've consistently been on here telling both fucking sides that they don't have all the facts while detailing what both sides have been alleging. your idiocy of stating i'm defending zimmerman makes you look like a moron.

The chronology of the post clearly makes STY out to be a liar when he claims to be “consistently telling both sides of the story” as I’ve CONSISTENTLY pointed out the FACTS that STY leaves out, edit outs or outright denies while trying to replace said facts with supposition and conjecture. Now STY claims he’s not defending Zimmerman….hmm, he’s doing a Hell of an impression to that effect!

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Because the dispatch did not say "you are ordered by law enforcement not to follow", STY says that essentially gave Zimmerman the option to continue to follow Martin. This is a typical game apologist like STY like to play whenever they’re caught doing wrong.
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while still looking like the moron you've become known to be, let me explain to you the way of the legal world. a dispatcher is not a sworn police officer with powers of arrest and authority, therefore any statement or directive of a dispatcher is not a lawful order and does not have to be followed.

You’re NO legal expert by far, STY (and I never claimed to be)…you’re just another neocon/teabagger blowhard whose intellectual dishonesty is only surpassed by your intellectual bankruptcy…. I never said that dispatchers were sworn officers….police dispatchers do relate POLICY INFORMATION to police officers and to civilians. That means if you call up with an emergency, the dispatch gives you the instructions that will aide the police in the performance of their duties when they get there. Here stupid, learn something:
http://passthepolicetest.com/uncategorized/police-911-emergency-dispatcher-career-information

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Suddenly, they have the mental comprehension skills of a 5th grader.unless you S-P-E-L-L it out for them, they literally just follow what you say. But the transcript of the conversation tells a different story, as the dispatch told Zimmerman that the cops were on the way, and when the dispatch told Zimmerman "We don’t need you to do that", Zimmerman replied, "Okay". So being TOLD that cops were on the way and there was no need for further pursuit, Zimmerman decides to continue DESPITE acknowledging to the dispatch that he would follow the direction NOT to follow Martin. And again, if you violate the rules that allows your organization to function with law enforcement’s sanction, you are in violation of a law. Period.
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please cite this law you are stating was violated. otherwise the only thin you're doing is whining because 'there ought to be a law'.

Pay attention stupid:
http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/policy-of-caution-guides-neighborhood-watch-groups/1221327

http://www.npr.org/2012/03/29/149635807/critics-neighborhood-watch-groups-need-more-regulation


Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Here, let me dumb it down for you: HOW FUCKING STUPID IS THE STATE OF FLORIDA TO GIVE A CCWP TO A GUY WITH TWO COUNTS OF TEMPERMENT RELATED ISSUES THAT BROUGHT HIM BEFORE THE COURTS? So any schumck can get a gun in Florida so long as he does "community service" for resisting arrest and coming close enough to beating his girlfriend that the judge orders them to stay away from each other? Jeezus!
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This might be extremely difficult for your intellectually handicapped brain to understand, but this is the USA. A land where 'we the people' have 'rights', not privileges. The law in florida concerning concealed weapons licenses is very detail oriented and spells out pretty clearly what qualifications are required for recieving a license. If you don't like the fact that zimmerman was able to plea down certain charges in order to keep his 'rights', then your argument is with the government of florida. personally, the fact that you object to the issuance of licenses to people with known aggressive tendencies only furthers my belief that not only should the law be upheld, but it should be abolished making unlicensed concealed carry completely lawful.

Once again, whenever STY cannot logically defend his belief system or the actions of those approves, he starts babbling moot points. This time, STY wraps himself in the flag as if that’s an automatic justification for his bullshit. And here’s the topper of STY’s inane defense of Zimmerman, “ the fact that you object to the issuance of licenses to people with known aggressive tendencies only furthers my belief that not only should the law be upheld, but it should be abolished making unlicensed concealed carry completely lawful.” So STY is IN FAVOR of issuing CCWP to people that have anger issues to the point that it brought them before the court TWICE, and then follows up with an end sentence that contradicts this thought. I’ll chalk it up to bad proofreading on STY’s part, because I hate to think he’s that dumb. In any event, STY once again FAILS to comprehend my point….YES, NOT ONLY IS MY GRIPE WITH A SLIP SHOD STATE SYSTEM THAT ALLOWS MORONS LIKE ZIMMERMAN A CCWP, BUT IT’S ALSO WITH A STATE THAT ENCOURAGES THE LIKES OF ZIMMERMAN INTO A WILD WEST MODE WITH A “STAND YOUR GROUND LAW”, ALONG WITH CORRUPTION WITHIN THE STATE JUDICIAL SYSTEM THAT ALLOWS LAW OFFICERS AND OFFICERS OF THE COURT TO ABUSE THEIR POWER BY INTERFERING WITH THE ARREST OF PERSON INVOLVED IN A FATAL SHOOTING WITH A DUBIOUS EXCUSE THAT CONTRADICTS THE PHYSICAL AND RECORDED EVIDENCE.
GOT THAT, BUNKY? And by the by, have they revoked Zimmerman’s CCWP? Was any foresnics done on his weapon? Was Zimmerman acting as a “neighborhood watch” guy or just an “average citizen” during the incident? Inquiring minds want to know…..so that leaves out YOU, STY, and the likes of Wolfinger and all the little willfully ignorant neocon yahoos.


Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
We know Zimmerman wasn’t arrested, you neocon blowhard…THAT’S THE WHOLE POINT OF PUBLIC OUTRAGE! There was enough preliminary evidence TO ARREST HIM, but Wolfinger (who’s connected to Zimmerman Sr.) prevented such.
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was zimmerman transported in the back of a police car in handcuffs and then questioned????? that answer is YES!, therefore he was arrested. that he wasn't charged and ordered held without bail is what's pissing you off and that is simply because your liberal idiocy is already convinced of his guilt.

now that i've thoroughly embarrassed the shit out of you, come back when you can pull your head and tail out of your ass.
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And here is where STY once again displays his blatant ignorance of the law, let alone a distortion of the FACTS. Zimmerman WAS NOT formally charged or indicted….nor was he “booked”. The detective in charge filed an affidavit prior to a FORMAL ARREST, BASED ON ZIMMERMAN BEING QUESTIONED, WHICH was counter-manded by Wolfinger. The cops can hold you for questioning for 24 hours, you can be taken down to a precinct for questioning in handcuffs, or taken from a scene in handcuffs if you are unruly or deemed a risk to yourself and others. BUT THAT IS NOT A FORMAL ARREST, as you are subsequently released! Any criminal law student or rookie cop will tell you that. And if YOU have any FACTS to the contrary, please produce them. If not, you need to stop blowing STY smoke out your ass.

STY once again makes a joke out of his screen name. Let’s watch him dig his hole of humiliation deeper with the next response!
 
How the liars lie....

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Suddenly, they have the mental comprehension skills of a 5th grader.unless you S-P-E-L-L it out for them, they literally just follow what you say. But the transcript of the conversation tells a different story, as the dispatch told Zimmerman that the cops were on the way, and when the dispatch told Zimmerman "We don’t need you to do that", Zimmerman replied, "Okay". So being TOLD that cops were on the way and there was no need for further pursuit, Zimmerman decides to continue DESPITE acknowledging to the dispatch that he would follow the direction NOT to follow Martin. And again, if you violate the rules that allows your organization to function with law enforcement’s sanction, you are in violation of a law. Period.

Its plain as TCL states....Zim was told, "you don't have to do that" and answered OK....
then the lie...."DESPITE acknowledging to the dispatch that he would follow the direction NOT to follow Martin."

Zimmerman did not ever say he would not follow the kid, he acknowledged he got the message or understood it....or that he knew he DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT...

"So being TOLD that cops were on the way and there was no need for further pursuit,"

Zimmerman was not told there was no need for further pursuit, he was told , " you don't have to do that"......

We don't know if Zimmerman violated rules of the neighborhood watch....because we don't know if he was acting in that capacity at the time......
 
bravo said:
How the liars lie....

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Suddenly, they have the mental comprehension skills of a 5th grader.unless you S-P-E-L-L it out for them, they literally just follow what you say. But the transcript of the conversation tells a different story, as the dispatch told Zimmerman that the cops were on the way, and when the dispatch told Zimmerman "We don’t need you to do that", Zimmerman replied, "Okay". So being TOLD that cops were on the way and there was no need for further pursuit, Zimmerman decides to continue DESPITE acknowledging to the dispatch that he would follow the direction NOT to follow Martin. And again, if you violate the rules that allows your organization to function with law enforcement’s sanction, you are in violation of a law. Period.

Its plain as TCL states....Zim was told, "you don't have to do that" and answered OK....
then the lie...."DESPITE acknowledging to the dispatch that he would follow the direction NOT to follow Martin."

Zimmerman did not ever say he would not follow the kid, he acknowledged he got the message or understood it....or that he knew he DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT...

"So being TOLD that cops were on the way and there was no need for further pursuit,"

Zimmerman was not told there was no need for further pursuit, he was told , " you don't have to do that"......

We don't know if Zimmerman violated rules of the neighborhood watch....because we don't know if he was acting in that capacity at the time......
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Every so often I take Bravo off of IA to see if he's matured or has actually made an effort to improve his cognitive reasoning skills beyond an insipid defense of his neocon/teabagger ideology.

Clearly by the above example, Bravo has failed again.

The whole point of my paragraph is to point out how Zimmerman (like his defenders) are playing word games in order to justify pursuing an confronting Martin. Again, Zimmerman completed his task when he reported a "suspicious" character to the 911 dispatch and gave a description. Whether he was a citizen or a neighborhood watchman on duty, Zimmerman HAD DONE HIS JOB AS THE LAW ALLOWS. He was told the cops were on their way, and that it was NO LONGER NECESSARY to follow Martin. The dispatch told Zimmerman this TO AVOID THE VERY INCIDENT THAT OCCURED! Zimmerman acknowledging that that the cops were on their way and he no longer had to follow Martin clearly contradicts his subsequent actions...and to date THERE IS NO REASON GIVEN WHY ZIMMERMAN CONTINUED TO PURSUE MARTIN outside of his personal agenda, whatever that was! Zimnmerman's ELECTED ACTIONS that were NOT NECESSARY is one of the core contentions of this case.

And as for his status of whether he was acting as a Neighborhood watch or just a private citizen.....if the former, then the use of his firearm violates the statutes set with local law enforcement and legal rulings by which neighborhood watch groups are allowed to function...and he should have been arrested for such. If the latter, then Zimmerman should have had his gun confiscated, his CCWP temporarily revoked pending a full investigation regarding a fatal shooting.

The FACT that the chief detective had an affidavit ready to go for formally charging and arresting Zimmerman demonstrated that the preliminary evidence and Zimmerman's story didn't jibe. That Wolfinger counter manded such and then recuses himself from the case leads to volumes of questions as to such a dubious action.

Only our intellectually impotent Bravo would accuse me of "lying" when the FACTS show that I told NO LIE....unless in Bravo's world examining the FACTS that don't come to your personal liking is construed as a "lie".

And the beat goes on.
 
Taichiliberal said:
FACT:

Zimmerman first reports to 911 dispatch that Martin is coming towards him to "check him out"...then Zimmerman reports that Martin is "running away". Cops tell Zimmerman that he does NOT have to follow Martin, and Martin's girlfriend reports that Martin told her that a strange man was following him.
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FACT: it's not against the law to follow somebody, or even ask "hey, what are you doing here?"

FACT: Zimmerman claims self defense, yet the chronology of the calls establishing that Zimmerman PURSUED Martin. If he had NOT done so, as instructed by the police dispatch, no confrontation would have ensued.
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FACT: even if we are to assume your stipulation that he continued to follow martin is true, that does not negate the claim of self defense.

FACT: New video of Zimmerman being taken to local precinct does NOT show signs of the damaged nose or blood on his clothes that were alleged to have come from blows by Martin in an earlier press release by his lawyer
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FACT: not everyone just hangs around with blood all over their face. it's pretty standard to wipe it off.

FACT: blood wont neccesarily show on DARK CLOTHES from 6-10 feet away as the camera was

FACT: Neighborhood Watch groups are NOT to carry guns. So again the question remain as to why Zimmerman was not booked for this violation. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/os-trayvon-martin-neighborhood-watch-20120321,0,5554619.story?page=1
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FACT: zimmermen was not officially part of the neighborhood watch

FACT: Zimmerman was arrested for a confrontation with a cop (non-violent) and did community service time to expunge that record. He also was instructed by a judge to stay away from his ex-girlfriend (and visa versa) after an altercation that landed them before the court. Why was this man issued a CCWP?
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FACT: you have some bizarre logic in your head if you think people should not be allowed to have a CCWP for unspecified NON-VIOLENT encounters.


FACT: The lead detective wanted to book Zimmerman for manslaughter based on the evidence, but was counter-manded by the State Attorney. How do you determine the outcome of a trial BEFORE an investigation has gotten fully started? http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...man-arrested-the-night-of-the-fatal-shooting/

More to follow.
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FACT: the "lead detective" is merely one person in the cog of the machine, many other "high up officials" have reservations about charging him. Do they get any credit from you as well? Or do you only give credit to those that agree with you?

This wasn't even hard.
 
Hes easy to pwn if you don't let him filibuster and spin out of control....
all you need is the facts and his own words.....

The chronology of the thread shows this is true.....
 
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Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
FACT:

Zimmerman first reports to 911 dispatch that Martin is coming towards him to "check him out"...then Zimmerman reports that Martin is "running away". Cops tell Zimmerman that he does NOT have to follow Martin, and Martin's girlfriend reports that Martin told her that a strange man was following him.
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FACT: it's not against the law to follow somebody, or even ask "hey, what are you doing here?"
No one said it was ….. the problem here is that you had a citizen call 911 regarding a suspected criminal (one of which he alluded to might be carrying a weapon). When he was told that the cops were on the way and that it was not necessary to continue to follow the suspect, Zimmerman said “Okay”, and then continued to act to the contrary. THAT runs into a legal question as to whether Zimmerman was in violation of the Neighborhood Watch rules (carrying a gun), or as to whether his going against the directions of the police dispatch (directions meant to AVOID the very incident that occurred). might have led to the deadly encounter (possible manslaughter).
FACT: Zimmerman claims self defense, yet the chronology of the calls establishing that Zimmerman PURSUED Martin. If he had NOT done so, as instructed by the police dispatch, no confrontation would have ensued.
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FACT: even if we are to assume your stipulation that he continued to follow martin is true, that does not negate the claim of self defense.
Don’t try to distort/rewrite what I said or the chronology of the events. The police dispatch exchange was not “my stipulaltion”, but a bonafide FACT. Zimmerman CONTINUED to follow Martin AFTER he reported that Martin was “running away”…phone records show Martin talking to his girl friend, saying how he was walking away “fast”, instead of running…right up to when Zimmerman confronts him. When you initiate a confrontation, you can’t suddenly yell foul when losing said confrontation.
FACT: New video of Zimmerman being taken to local precinct does NOT show signs of the damaged nose or blood on his clothes that were alleged to have come from blows by Martin in an earlier press release by his lawyer
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FACT: not everyone just hangs around with blood all over their face. it's pretty standard to wipe it off.

FACT: blood wont neccesarily show on DARK CLOTHES from 6-10 feet away as the camera was

FACT: a busted, bloody nose does NOT miraculously disappear no matter how good the EMT crew is. Gauze, stitches, dried blood around the wound, bruises around the nose and eyes, would be a result…..NONE of which was evident on the pics that CLEARLY show Zimmerman’s face. The time line does NOT allow for this miraculous clean up even if it did occur, and there has been NO subsequent filing of such damages with the local hospital.
FACT: Zimmerman’s frontal pic shows a shirt that is NOT “dark” to the point that you could not see a darker stain.
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FACT: Neighborhood Watch groups are NOT to carry guns. So again the question remain as to why Zimmerman was not booked for this violation. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...borhood-watch-20120321,0,5554619.story?page=1
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FACT: zimmermen was not officially part of the neighborhood watch
Then he had NO RIGHT to be patrolling around the neighborhood with a loaded gun acting like a cop or a security agent. That is why the police work WITH neighborhhood watch organizations and set up RULES…so they avoid incidences like this one! The CCWP is for protection, NOT an automatic deputization. Back to square one regarding the 911 dispatch call (s).FACT: Zimmerman was arrested for a confrontation with a cop (non-violent) and did community service time to expunge that record. He also was instructed by a judge to stay away from his ex-girlfriend (and visa versa) after an altercation that landed them before the court. Why was this man issued a CCWP?
FACT: you have some bizarre logic in your head if you think people should not be allowed to have a CCWP for unspecified NON-VIOLENT encounters.
YOU obviously have some sort of reading comprehension problem, because Zimmerman’s court appearances were of quite a SPECIFIC nature……one was to AVOID VIOLENCE OF AN ESCALATING DOMESTIC SQUABBLE….the other was his interefering with a police officer in the performance of his duty….which got him community service to expunge the arrest record. Hell, people are denied JOBS because they got caught smoking ONE joint in college, but a clown with temperment problems gets a CCWP? And that makes sense to you?
FACT: The lead detective wanted to book Zimmerman for manslaughter based on the evidence, but was counter-manded by the State Attorney. How do you determine the outcome of a trial BEFORE an investigation has gotten fully started? http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_1...atal-shooting/

More to follow.
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FACT: the "lead detective" is merely one person in the cog of the machine, many other "high up officials" have reservations about charging him. Do they get any credit from you as well? Or do you only give credit to those that agree with you?

This wasn't even hard.

Nothing is hard for you if you leave out or dismiss or downplay ALL the FACTS. Bottom line: the “cog” you refer to was the chief detective….HE wasn’t buying Zimmerman’s tale based on the evidence, and filed an affidavit. Yet the State Attorney and Chief of Police who ran interference/denial of Zimmerman’s arrest have BOTH removed/recused themselves AFTER they got Zimmerman off the hook. So one “cog” does his job, then the “high-up” officials do a hit & run against him. Why? VERY suspicious, given the EVIDENCE..which warrants an official arrest and investigation, whether you like it or not.
 
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bravo said:
Hes easy to pwn if you don't let him filibuster and spin out of control....
all you need is the facts and his own words.....

The chronology of the thread shows this is true.....
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And as we can see, folks Bravo is STILL his usual mentally impotent self. Note that he doesn't have the brains or the stones to deal with my previous response to him http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...w-zimmerman-with-injuries&p=975266#post975266

And would someone PLEASE explain to this Bravo bumpkin that you can't "filibuster" on a printed format that has a post & response set-up? I mean, Jeez...just because Bravo can't admit he's wrong on ANY point or comprehend a response that's outside his beliefs he calls a response a "filibuster"! Damn, Bravo is pathetic.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
that's about the extent of your chronology.
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And thus we see what happens to intellectually bankrupt and dishonest jokers like STY when they cannot logically or factually disprove information that contradicts their beliefs and mantras.

Since I've reduced STY to braying ass, there's no point in further contemplating his existence. The chronology of the posts will ALWAYS be his undoing.
 
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