Don't follow the US on healthcare
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al jajeezaboo is wrong again
the poor in america have "free" healthcare.
the poor in america have "free" healthcare.
signalmankenneth
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Republicans are Liars and gamers of the system who assume (rightly in the case of their own “average” supporters) that the American People are too stupid to see right through them. When they held power, they were arrogant bullies who forced Democrats into literal closets to hold hearings and considered bipartisanship “date-rape.”
Now that the pigs are out of power, they whine about bipartisanship when they continue to oppose anything to save Americans in the wake of the destructive Republican policies, in spite of the many concessions to woo their support. Of course, that begs the question “why bother” watering down the Democratic agenda when the Republican strategy will inevitably be one of obstructionism and lies.
When in power, Republicans did nothing to solve the problems in Health Insurance. When out of power they lie and dig in their heals for the sake of the status quo.
Tort reform, buying insurance across state lines, MORE unfettering of the insurance companies!
These are the Republican “ideas” that the ideologues continuously harp on as “solutions” to fix our immoral, expensive and broken health care system. Unfortunately for those of us who live in the reality-based community, these “ideas” do nothing to rectify the problem that 45,000 of our fellow citizens die each year for lack of health care and millions go bankrupt, but only serve to inject ideological-based poison pills into an already broken system that would only further ingratiate the rich.
For example, failed state and pimple on the ass of America, Texas, has capped medical malpractice settlements at $250,000 and it did NOTHING to stem the rising cost of health insurance – NOTHING. In fact, Texas is STILL home to three of the top ten most expensive cities in the country to receive health care. Why do Republicans insist on pushing tort reform? Because their TRUE constituents- THE RICH can make more profit if they don’t have to pay restitution for say, removing your good kidney instead of your bad one… or anything else for that matter.
Of course, the Republicans are forced to say that they are doing it for “The People” because, quite frankly, we outnumber them! So they must pay propagandists like Rush Limbaugh millions to run his protection racket to get the “everyman” dupes to nod their head in agreement when he barks, “tort reform” – and unwittingly disempower themselves yet again for the sake of their masters.
What about the “buying insurance across state lines increases competition” meme? Sounds good, but again, IT DOESN’T WORK! All one has to do is to look at the example of credit card companies. Ever wonder why all your credit card bills come from Delaware? Well, because that’s the state with the least regulation for credit cards so they all flock there to have more power to exploit the little guy.
Another favorite Republican image of Utopia is where corporations can screw you royally without the only institution large enough– the government of We The People – standing in the way. That ridiculous idea is, again, their answer for fixing a broken health care system.
And speaking of “again”…. The last Republican “idea” is – AS USUAL – TAX CUTS FOR THE WEALTHY!
Republicans cry “tax cuts for the wealthy” like the Easter Island priests cried, “build one more Moai and the crops will return!” Anyone with a grasp of history or reality knows that building of Moai statues was the reason the crops failed again and again and the civilization collapsed. The Rapa Nui leaders – predecessors to modern Republicans – were prescribing the very thing that was destroying them as the remedy for their collapsing system.
That is the vision Republicans leave for us every time they get their boney fingers around the neck of power.
They reason the Republicans never did anything about the abysmal health care system when they actually were in power because, to them, it was a system that worked. The “right” people (the wealthy) always have access to health care and anything else they want and it was (and is) extremely profitable those like United Healthcare CEO Bill McGuire who made a 1.6 BILLION dollar bonus for DENYING HEALTHCARE to sick people. Those that die are the powerless. They have no money and subsequently no voice… so they don’t f’ing matter. Plain and simple. George W. Bush said there was no problem in health care because everyone can go the the ER if they are sick. That broken system was no problem then. “Everyone agrees that reform is necessary” became the Republican talking point when it was clear that the Democrats were going to actually do something about it.
The facts are clear. Wealthy Republicans view the rest of humanity exists merely as hosts from which to suck profit and “average” Republicans are woefully misinformed by design, willfully ignorant by choice who hope that their complicity with their economic overlords will make them one day meet them for a beer. Can’t work because you’re sick? Well, do your patriotic duty and die quickly.
I am not happy about this bill. Like Dennis Kucinich, I wanted UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE like every other civilized nation on Earth. As it stands, this bill only ensures that 95% get coverage- so the 5% left out can “eat cake” or die quickly, I suppose.
What I do like about it is that it has shone a light on the ugliness and the uselessness of the Republican Party. There they are again, loudly on the wrong side of history.
I also trust that in typical Republican form, idiot Teabaggers will be the first in line to take advantage of the reforms — sucking on the government teat while decrying the system – as usual. We normal people must endure them now like the normal people 40 years ago endured the idiots who stood in the way of children attempting to get an education in an integrated school.We must not only endure them, we must fight them.
Take a lesson from history. If the normal people of Easter Island had stood up to their ideologues, they may have left a vibrant, thriving civilization instead of a desolate, abandoned rock littered with mysterious statues.We must continue to stand up to their ignorance and EVOLVE. Let’s make a world that works for everyone – not just the top 1%. I know we are fatigued from this fight. The harder the residence and the louder and more ridiculous the lies from Republicans, the more we will know we are actually headed in the right direction. The passage of this bill is not the end. It is the BEGINNING! Next stop – Medicare buy-in Public Option FOR ALL!
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
What? That's just silly. The poor in this country have some limited access to trauma therapy and acute disease therapy and very little, if any, access to health care.
Bfgrn
New member
Good find tom. Conservatives in this country continue to parrot the corporate cartel speak that America is number one in health care. They are right. America is number one in COST per person spent. But at the bottom of the heap in outcomes.
"The great enemy of truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived and dishonest – but the myth – persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."
President John F. Kennedy
LOOK what counties are at the BOTTOM of the list in mortality rates, and what counties TOP the list in cost per person spent.
They are the SAME counties and they all have one thing in common: Germany, USA, Portugal and Switzerland – all depend more heavily on profit-based, private health insurance provided primarily through the employer/employee relationship.
Our wealth care system puts all our businesses at a competitive disadvantage in the international marketplace. The cost of health insurance adds $1500 to the cost of every vehicle domestic automakers produce. Japanese manufacturers spend $200 per vehicle because Japan has universal health care.
America's health care is at the bottom of all industrialized countries.
A recent study reported in the Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine compared the amounts of money spent by nineteen Western countries on health care relative to their respective gross domestic product (GDP). The authors, Professor Colin Pritchard of the Bournemouth University School of Health and Social Care, and Dr. Mark Wallace of the Latymer School of London, ranked countries by the average percentage of GDP spent on health care between 1979 and 2005. They then looked at mortality rates for “all adults” (15-74 years old) and for just the “older” population (55-74) to determine a cost-effective ratio, i.e., how much “bang for the buck” each country has been getting for the money spent. The conclusions are striking.
Increasing Health Care Costs
It will come as no surprise that health care costs have gone up everywhere. In 1980, Sweden spent nine percent of its GDP on health care. The USA came in second at 8.8%. Most countries averaged about 7.1% of GDP. In 2005, the picture had changed. The United States was far in front of all other countries, spending an average of 12.2% of its GDP for all public and private health care costs. Germany was a somewhat distant second at 9.7%, with the average for all countries standing at 7.4%. In other words, while average health care expenditures increased from 7% to 7.4%, America’s costs jumped from 8.8% to 12.2% of GDP over the same span of time.
Mortality Rates
The study then looked at trends in mortality rates for both the entire adult population (15-74) and for older people (55-74). Deaths per million population were looked at, and the authors found that mortality rates had declined in segments of this population in every country, an indication that medical science has indeed improved over the past few decades.
Utilizing standard statistical tools and analysis, the authors then ranked the same 19 countries according to their effectiveness in reducing the mortality rate for the elderly populace ages 55 to 74. Comparing the amount of money spent by each country on health care and the reduced mortality rates, the countries fell into the following ranking:
1 Ireland
2 United Kingdom
3 New Zealand
4 Austria
5 Australia
6 Italy
7 Finland
8 Japan
9 Spain
10 Sweden
11 Canada
12 Netherlands
13 France
14 Norway
15 Greece
16 Germany
17 USA
18 Portugal
19 Switzerland
Conclusions
Take a look. America outspends everyone else by far on health care, and has shown the least amount of improvement on mortality rates, with the exception of Portugal and Switzerland. Why does the United States do such a poor job?
The authors give several potential reasons, including regional disparities in health care availability in a country as large as the US, the much higher rate of firearms-related homicides here, and the higher number of un-insureds we have. The study is, however, consistent with other reports that show the USA is doing a poor job of health care for its citizens. A recent UNICEF report looked at “well-being” of children among major industrialized countries (e.g. material wealth, family relationships, health care), and found the United States ranking 23rd of 24 countries reviewed.
Universal vs. Private Health Insurance
There is one factor common to the top 15 countries on the above list. They all have strong state funding of single-payer universal health care, instead of insurance based health care tied to employment. The bottom four countries – Germany, USA, Portugal and Switzerland – all depend more heavily on profit-based, private health insurance provided primarily through the employer/employee relationship.
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More money per person is spent on health care in the USA than in any other nation in the world, and a greater percentage of total income in the nation is spent on health care in the USA than in any United Nations member state except for East Timor. Although not all people are insured, the USA has the third highest public healthcare expenditure per capita, because of the high cost of medical care in the country. A 2001 study in five states found that medical debt contributed to 46.2% of all personal bankruptcies and in 2007, 62.1% of filers for bankruptcies claimed high medical expenses. Since then, health costs and the numbers of uninsured and underinsured have increased.
The USA pays twice as much yet lags behind other wealthy nations in such measures as infant mortality and life expectancy, though the relation between these statistics to the system itself is debated. Currently, the USA has a higher infant mortality rate than most of the world's industrialized nations. In the United States life expectancy is 42nd in the world, after some other industrialized nations, lagging the other nations of the G5 (Japan, France, Germany, UK, USA) and just after Chile (35th) and Cuba (37th).
Life expectancy in the USA is 42nd in the world, below most developed nations and some developing nations. It is below the average life expectancy for the European Union. The World Health Organization (WHO), in 2000, ranked the U.S. health care system as the highest in cost, first in responsiveness, 37th in overall performance, and 72nd by overall level of health (among 191 member nations included in the study). The Commonwealth Fund ranked the United States last in the quality of health care among similar countries, and notes U.S. care costs the most.
The USA is the "only wealthy, industrialized nation that does not ensure that all citizens have coverage" (i.e., some kind of private or public health insurance). In 2004, the Institute of Medicine report observed "lack of health insurance causes roughly 18,000 unnecessary deaths every year in the United States." while a 2009 Harvard study estimated that 44,800 excess deaths occurred annually due to lack of health insurance.
wiki
"The great enemy of truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived and dishonest – but the myth – persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."
President John F. Kennedy
LOOK what counties are at the BOTTOM of the list in mortality rates, and what counties TOP the list in cost per person spent.
They are the SAME counties and they all have one thing in common: Germany, USA, Portugal and Switzerland – all depend more heavily on profit-based, private health insurance provided primarily through the employer/employee relationship.
Our wealth care system puts all our businesses at a competitive disadvantage in the international marketplace. The cost of health insurance adds $1500 to the cost of every vehicle domestic automakers produce. Japanese manufacturers spend $200 per vehicle because Japan has universal health care.
America's health care is at the bottom of all industrialized countries.
A recent study reported in the Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine compared the amounts of money spent by nineteen Western countries on health care relative to their respective gross domestic product (GDP). The authors, Professor Colin Pritchard of the Bournemouth University School of Health and Social Care, and Dr. Mark Wallace of the Latymer School of London, ranked countries by the average percentage of GDP spent on health care between 1979 and 2005. They then looked at mortality rates for “all adults” (15-74 years old) and for just the “older” population (55-74) to determine a cost-effective ratio, i.e., how much “bang for the buck” each country has been getting for the money spent. The conclusions are striking.
Increasing Health Care Costs
It will come as no surprise that health care costs have gone up everywhere. In 1980, Sweden spent nine percent of its GDP on health care. The USA came in second at 8.8%. Most countries averaged about 7.1% of GDP. In 2005, the picture had changed. The United States was far in front of all other countries, spending an average of 12.2% of its GDP for all public and private health care costs. Germany was a somewhat distant second at 9.7%, with the average for all countries standing at 7.4%. In other words, while average health care expenditures increased from 7% to 7.4%, America’s costs jumped from 8.8% to 12.2% of GDP over the same span of time.
Mortality Rates
The study then looked at trends in mortality rates for both the entire adult population (15-74) and for older people (55-74). Deaths per million population were looked at, and the authors found that mortality rates had declined in segments of this population in every country, an indication that medical science has indeed improved over the past few decades.
Utilizing standard statistical tools and analysis, the authors then ranked the same 19 countries according to their effectiveness in reducing the mortality rate for the elderly populace ages 55 to 74. Comparing the amount of money spent by each country on health care and the reduced mortality rates, the countries fell into the following ranking:
1 Ireland
2 United Kingdom
3 New Zealand
4 Austria
5 Australia
6 Italy
7 Finland
8 Japan
9 Spain
10 Sweden
11 Canada
12 Netherlands
13 France
14 Norway
15 Greece
16 Germany
17 USA
18 Portugal
19 Switzerland
Conclusions
Take a look. America outspends everyone else by far on health care, and has shown the least amount of improvement on mortality rates, with the exception of Portugal and Switzerland. Why does the United States do such a poor job?
The authors give several potential reasons, including regional disparities in health care availability in a country as large as the US, the much higher rate of firearms-related homicides here, and the higher number of un-insureds we have. The study is, however, consistent with other reports that show the USA is doing a poor job of health care for its citizens. A recent UNICEF report looked at “well-being” of children among major industrialized countries (e.g. material wealth, family relationships, health care), and found the United States ranking 23rd of 24 countries reviewed.
Universal vs. Private Health Insurance
There is one factor common to the top 15 countries on the above list. They all have strong state funding of single-payer universal health care, instead of insurance based health care tied to employment. The bottom four countries – Germany, USA, Portugal and Switzerland – all depend more heavily on profit-based, private health insurance provided primarily through the employer/employee relationship.
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More money per person is spent on health care in the USA than in any other nation in the world, and a greater percentage of total income in the nation is spent on health care in the USA than in any United Nations member state except for East Timor. Although not all people are insured, the USA has the third highest public healthcare expenditure per capita, because of the high cost of medical care in the country. A 2001 study in five states found that medical debt contributed to 46.2% of all personal bankruptcies and in 2007, 62.1% of filers for bankruptcies claimed high medical expenses. Since then, health costs and the numbers of uninsured and underinsured have increased.
The USA pays twice as much yet lags behind other wealthy nations in such measures as infant mortality and life expectancy, though the relation between these statistics to the system itself is debated. Currently, the USA has a higher infant mortality rate than most of the world's industrialized nations. In the United States life expectancy is 42nd in the world, after some other industrialized nations, lagging the other nations of the G5 (Japan, France, Germany, UK, USA) and just after Chile (35th) and Cuba (37th).
Life expectancy in the USA is 42nd in the world, below most developed nations and some developing nations. It is below the average life expectancy for the European Union. The World Health Organization (WHO), in 2000, ranked the U.S. health care system as the highest in cost, first in responsiveness, 37th in overall performance, and 72nd by overall level of health (among 191 member nations included in the study). The Commonwealth Fund ranked the United States last in the quality of health care among similar countries, and notes U.S. care costs the most.
The USA is the "only wealthy, industrialized nation that does not ensure that all citizens have coverage" (i.e., some kind of private or public health insurance). In 2004, the Institute of Medicine report observed "lack of health insurance causes roughly 18,000 unnecessary deaths every year in the United States." while a 2009 Harvard study estimated that 44,800 excess deaths occurred annually due to lack of health insurance.
wiki
Yep, another rightie lie. The destitute have free health care, the poor have what Mott described.
The poor in the US have free healthcare.....that is an undeniable fact.......
Healthcare is not running to the doctors office for a scratch on your hand or a runny nose or a common muscle pain that will go away
by itself in week.....thats what healthcare is to the rich.......
Break an arm or need stitches or your appendicitis removed, it will be taken care of, free, if you can't pay......your neighbors will pay
in the very same way they would in 'socialized' medicine where taxes, progressive and mandatory pay the bills....
No matter how the facts are spun, the taxpayers, wealthy and not so wealthy are paying for those that can't OR won't take
responsibility for themselves.....every dime the government spends from that source in the end no matter how its labeled or described to hid that fact.
The only thing that graph illustrates to me is how freakin' bad our GDP is....
Listen you ignorant lying piece of shit, you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
2 examples of how wrong you are;
Bill F.; diagnosed with a terminal liver disease he went to the hospital for free care. They told him he was not sick enough, come back later. When he returned, they told him it was too late, he turned green swelled up like a horror movie monster and proceded to die, leaving a toddler and an unborn daughter behind. Age 35 at death.
Allen R. Suffering from chest pain and looking very ill, his friends told him to a man to head to the hospital and offered him rides and or to call an ambulance. He denied them, explaining how he was still struggling to make his court ordered payments from his last hospital visit and couldn't afford more payments. He drove home and was found dead the next morning, age 46. Choke you your lies, hack.
These men were personal friends of mine, I am intimately familar with their deaths and the circumstance thereof.
As I said, the utterly destitute have some healthcare available, the poor do not.
Allen R.
Do you know what irrelevant means....
Terminal liver disease ?....what did you expect to happen ? a cure ?.....having a terminal disease isn't the same being treatably sick .... When the disease progresses to a point where you need pain relief or something like that, you go for that reason and its free.....there is no treatment for terminal liver diease.
Obviously, the courts deceided he was well off eough to help pay his bills.....so take your whining to the court system where it belongs....and if you don't go the hospital, you ain't gonna get treatment of any kind.....no matter whats in your wallet....
Bfgrn
New member
Ask bravo to justify THIS...I want to hear him justify the premature and preventable death of fellow Americans. The first 50 year old woman in the story is probably dead from something that could have been prevented.
Health reform's human stories
11/16/2009
New Orleans, La. — — It happened as I watched a 50-something woman walk out, after spending several hours being attended to by volunteer doctors. "She's decided against treatment. A reasonable decision under the circumstances," the doctor tells us as she heads for the next patient. The president of the board of the National Association of Free Health Clinics tells me why: "It's stage four breast cancer, her body is filled with tumors." I don't know when that woman last saw a doctor. But I do know that if she had health insurance, the odds she would have seen a doctor long ago are much higher, and her chances for an earlier diagnosis and treatment would have been far greater.
After watching for hours as the patients moved through the clinic, it was hard to believe that I was in America.
Eighty-three percent of the patients they see are employed, they are not accepting other government help on a large scale, not "welfare queens" as some would like to have us believe. They are tax-paying, good, upstanding citizens who are trying to make it and give their kids a better life just like you and me.
Ninety percent of the patients who came through Saturday's clinic had two or more diagnoses.
Eighty-two percent had a life-threatening condition such as cardiovascular disease, diabetes, or hypertension. They are victims of a system built with corporate profits at its center, which long ago forgot the moral imperative that should drive us to show compassion to our fellow men and women.
We have all made mistakes. But Dante tells us that divine justice weighs the sins of the cold-blooded and the sins of the warm-hearted on different scales. Better the occasional faults of a party living in the spirit of charity than the consistent omissions of a party frozen in the ice of its own indifference.
President John F. Kennedy
It called a liver transplant you blithering moron. If he had insurance, they would have imediately put him on the transplant list, but since he was unisured, he had to exhibit a certain level of symptoms to qualify. Before those symptoms were visible enough, he had gone septic. Shut your fucking face already.
Thanks for the two great posts in this thread, but unfortunately they are both far too sophisticated for our resident moron to comprehend.
Of course, if Lush Windbag explained it to him, then he would get it.
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Poor Blabo.
Yes, I know exactly what irrelevant means, I looked it up in the dictionary and there was a picture of you.
As to your other comment above, thanks for proving my point moron.