CNN Enhances Zimmerman 911 Tape Again, Sounds like F**king Cold...

[WinterBorn]

Ok. I'm convinced the elevator doesn't make it to the top floor. Your statement doesn't even make any sense. The double standard exists, because there are people who think it outrageous that a black man is even in the office of President of the United States...and would deny that Zimmerman is half white. To them, he's "just" a Mexican.
And you obviously are confused by the term "double standard".

This condescending bullshit is getting old. Perhaps you know people who hate blacks and are ok with mexicans. I don't.

And your "Double Standard much?" line looked to be aimed at Damo as much as anyplace. But my statement still stands concerning your inaccurate use of "double standard".

 

[cawacko]

Are you insane? Or just plain stupid? How many blacks live in a gated community? Lots. Things are closer to The Cosby Show, than you think. There goes that notion of "white privilege", again, thinking that only whites living in gated communities are conventional wisdom. Who is anyone to say, that someone doesn't belong? Goddamit.

He was talking about that specific gated community, not gated communities in general. From the sounds of it there weren't a lot of blacks living in that specific gated community.

 

[WinterBorn]

Did you listen to the 911 tape? His words, there. Don't play stupid.

I am not playing. I asked you specifically what he said that makes him a racist? Do you have anything or not?

 

[poet]

I didn't ask about any gated community. I asked specifically about the gated community where Zimmerman was on the neighborhood watch. The fact that there are plenty of blacks living in other gated communities has nothing to do with this discussion.

You're the one who wrote this: "Also, how many blacks live in the gated community? (I believe it is a gated community, right?) For a neighborhood watch to follow someone who does not look like a resident is not farfetched."

How is Zimmerman credible in determining who and who does not look like a resident? You even claimed it wasn't "far-fetched". Where do you get off saying that?

 

[Cancel 2016.11]

I said it is debateable. And the actions of the legal system in that town has nothing to do with whether or not Zimmerman is a racist. In fact, in another post I linked a story about Zimmerman fighting to see the police dept punished for it bias and racism. If Zimmerman himself is a racist, why would he bother working to get justice for a black man?

What words, specifically, condemn him? I haven't seen any quotes that can't be taken several ways.

His actions were stupid, but that all we actually know.

He's made a lot of stupid mistakes then hasn't he?

He was charged with resisting arrest with violence against a police officer.

And his girlfriend got a restraining order against him with a claim of domestic violence. He then counter-served her - a classic move with abusers.

But she probably was lying and the cop too.

This fucking guy is bad news, and he's violent.

He killed a black kid because the kid was black. This bullshit about his being half-hispanic is a red herring. Who cares? First of all we have no idea how HE self-identified, which is the ONLY thing that matters in this particular case, and further, like you've never heard of minorities being bigoted against other minorities? Come on.

 

[poet]

I am not playing. I asked you specifically what he said that makes him a racist? Do you have anything or not?

The entire 911 tape and his subsequent actions. That's all I need. That's all that a jury will need. Watch and see.

 

[poet]

This condescending bullshit is getting old. Perhaps you know people who hate blacks and are ok with mexicans. I don't.

And your "Double Standard much?" line looked to be aimed at Damo as much as anyplace. But my statement still stands concerning your inaccurate use of "double standard".

Honey, I can't help you out of your quandary.

 

[Cancel 2016.11]

Running can be a double edged sword as well as I found out when the undercover cop who kicked my ass basically said he wouldn't have done it if I hadn't run. However yes, at the end of the day I would rather run from someone and be alive then confront someone and be dead.

Oh definitely, and especially for men Cawacko. But I believe most kids are told to run, and to me this 17 yo boy was still a kid. And I believe most women are going to run in that situation.

 

[WinterBorn]

The entire 911 tape and his subsequent actions. That's all I need. That's all that a jury will need. Watch and see.

So you don't have any specific things he said? The entire call is racist?

 

[WinterBorn]

Honey, I can't help you out of your quandary.

I need no help, nor am I in a quandry.

I am trying to have a civil discussion with you, and you insist on adding insults to it.

 

[cawacko]

Oh definitely, and especially for men Cawacko. But I believe most kids are told to run, and to me this 17 yo boy was still a kid. And I believe most women are going to run in that situation.

You're right. I would tell my nieces and nephew RUN in a situation where they were being followed so I definitely agree. In this specific case if Martin had run Zimmerman would have probably thought that made him guilty of something and still followed him. However that would have avoided a confrontation and Martin would still be alive and when the police arrived they would have realized he had done nothing wrong. And by saying Martin would still be alive I'm not blaming him for his death I'm just saying what the result would be.

 

[Onceler]

He's made a lot of stupid mistakes then hasn't he?

He was charged with resisting arrest with violence against a police officer.

And his girlfriend got a restraining order against him with a claim of domestic violence. He then counter-served her - a classic move with abusers.

But she probably was lying and the cop too.

This fucking guy is bad news, and he's violent.

He killed a black kid because the kid was black. This bullshit about his being half-hispanic is a red herring. Who cares? First of all we have no idea how HE self-identified, which is the ONLY thing that matters in this particular case, and further, like you've never heard of minorities being bigoted against other minorities? Come on.

I'm glad someone mentioned that. When it was first reported that he was half-hispanic, the reaction on this board was a collective "gotcha" from anyone who didn't think there could be a racial aspect to the case. Like it's impossible for one minority group to have predudicial feelings against another - they're all in the same boat, after all!

 

[Cancel 2016.11]

I'm glad someone mentioned that. When it was first reported that he was half-hispanic, the reaction on this board was a collective "gotcha" from anyone who didn't think there could be a racial aspect to the case. Like it's impossible for one minority group to have predudicial feelings against another - they're all in the same boat, after all!

Not that long after 9/11, within two years, my younger brother had to throw a group of Arab men out of his place of business (a business which serves the public) because they called a young black female employee of his one of the most racist names. Not the n word, but as bad as that one. I won't even write it.

I was pretty surprised. You can only imagine the bigotry they had suffered over the preceding two years right? But here they were, publically degrading a young black woman for being black. I think it really goes back to - many, if not most people seem to need someone to feel superior to.

And it's just silly to pretend that it doesn't happen, a lot.

 

[Cancel 2016.11]

You're right. I would tell my nieces and nephew RUN in a situation where they were being followed so I definitely agree. In this specific case if Martin had run Zimmerman would have probably thought that made him guilty of something and still followed him. However that would have avoided a confrontation and Martin would still be alive and when the police arrived they would have realized he had done nothing wrong. And by saving Martin would still be alive I'm not blaming him for his death I'm just saying what the result would be.

Yeah we'll never know. And it sounds like he did, not really run, but walk fast? at first. He thought he had lost the guy. I honestly never know what I"m going to do. I do get furious. Who knows how you are going to react? The bottom line is - no one should be freaking following you in the first place.

 

[cawacko]

I'm glad someone mentioned that. When it was first reported that he was half-hispanic, the reaction on this board was a collective "gotcha" from anyone who didn't think there could be a racial aspect to the case. Like it's impossible for one minority group to have predudicial feelings against another - they're all in the same boat, after all!

Not saying your observation is wrong but I thought it was interesting when it was announced he was Hispanic because the first narrative I have heard was the whole white/black racial issue. This put a new twist on it.

And yes there has been a lot of racial tension (in certain places at least) between the Hispanic and Black communities. In LA it is huge for instance.

 

[Damocles]

Ok, let me give you my impression of what happened and who these people are. Just supposition, mind you, based on 5 decades of life.

Trayvon was a 17 year old that was new to thei neighborhood. From the sounds of the place, I doubt there were many black families. So he felt out of place enough and even more so because he was new. How does a 17 year old male react in new situations? Be a badass. Talk tough. And that is not racist. That fits blacks, whites, hispanics or whoever.

Zimmerman was a guy wanting to be a cop in his neighborhood. Was he an idiot for ignoring what the 911 operator told him? Sure he was. Should he be held accountable for whatever he did? Again, yes. But unless you can show he was truly motivated by racism, convicting him now is wrong. And if he was a racist, why was he the only one pushing for justice after a black homeless man was beaten by the son of a local police officer in 2010? http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/04/z...or-officers-who-investigated-martin-shooting/

Also, how many blacks live in the gated community? (I believe it is a gated community, right?) For a neighborhood watch to follow someone who does not look like a resident is not farfetched.

I have seen nothing to show either George Zimmerman as a racist or Trayvon Martin as a dangerous hoodlum.

I see a tragedy that has been blown way out of proportion by the media. The inaccurate reporting by the media supporting BOTH sides is the only "proof" I have seen.

Almost everybody in Florida lives in a gated community.

The ethnic mix in that neighborhood favored minorities. 48% White, some 30% Hispanic/Latino, 20% black, and a small mix of Asians.. (I'm going off memory here).

The "gated community" they live in sells homes on average of $75,000 to $120,000. That is not a "rich" community by any standards in Florida that I know of...

 

[Damocles]

He's "white-ish". With a "German" surname. Some might him a pass. There is no way the President would get a pass for being "white". Just the opposite occurs. Barack Obama is routinely called "a Kenyan". Double standard, much?

By whom? You have a link of this supposed "double-standard" of mine?

 

[cawacko]

Not that long after 9/11, within two years, my younger brother had to throw a group of Arab men out of his place of business (a business which serves the public) because they called a young black female employee of his one of the most racist names. Not the n word, but as bad as that one. I won't even write it.

I was pretty surprised. You can only imagine the bigotry they had suffered over the preceding two years right? But here they were, publically degrading a young black woman for being black. I think it really goes back to - many, if not most people seem to need someone to feel superior to.

And it's just silly to pretend that it doesn't happen, a lot.

Darla, not to get off track but to expand on what you said I was friends with a Mexican girl. She said her brother was marrying someone from El Salvador and that her dad was PISSED. Her dad has used some derogatory term for people from El Salvador and basically said they were below Mexicans. So yes it seems to happen on every level.

 

[Damocles]

Unless the same people who call President Obama a Kenyan also call Zimmerman white, it is NOT a double standard.

Stop messing up his head with reality, he lives in a special place, where people who don't call Obama a Kenyan have a "double-standard" when they point out that Hispanic dudes aren't white.

 

[Cancel 2016.11]

Darla, not to get off track but to expand on what you said I was friends with a Mexican girl. She said her brother was marrying someone from El Salvador and that her dad was PISSED. Her dad has used some derogatory term for people from El Salvador and basically said they were below Mexicans. So yes it seems to happen on every level.

Yes, one of my close friends is Colombian and I really had no idea how the hierarchy of country of origin, race, and even skin shade worked before I got to know her well. It's really unbelievable.