NBC fires producer over edited Zimmerman 911 call

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yet at the same time you ignore the fact that this scapegoat and NBC were all to willing to have at Zimmerman and were all too willing to launch the public against him. There needs to be accountability. Just saying 'we fired someone' is not enough.

What purpose does it serve to have the name of the producer? It doesn't do anything to hold NBC accountable. It just ruins the producer's life for a while.

And again, maybe I'm wrong but given the total amount of coverage in the media generally on this case, I don't think one story on the Today show really had all that much of an impact. Who the fuck watches the Today show anyway?

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

So go after NBC.

You do realize that is what we have been doing in this thread, don't you?

Only to hear you proclaim 'they have done enough! any firm who 'clears' themselves is good enough for me!!!'

 

[Bonestorm]

And when we do you say something silly, like this was good enough to show they have no bias... I think it may have happened in this thread.

And I get criticized for so-called straw men arguments? Yikes.

 

[cawacko]

What purpose does it serve to have the name of the producer? It doesn't do anything to hold NBC accountable. It just ruins the producer's life for a while.

And again, maybe I'm wrong but given the total amount of coverage in the media generally on this case, I don't think one story on the Today show really had all that much of an impact. Who the fuck watches the Today show anyway?

Million of f'ing women.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

What purpose does it serve to have the name of the producer? It doesn't do anything to hold NBC accountable. It just ruins the producer's life for a while.

1) We find out WHY the producer did it. 'It was an accident' is nothing more than complete bullshit.
2) The producer tilted the nation against Zimmerman by 'revealing' him to be racist. Yet you don't think Zimmerman should know who was responsible?
3) It does hold NBC accountable in that it will force the discussion to be had. Right now they could have easily fired some nobody, paid them off to take the fall and tried to move on. We have no friggin idea and given the nature of the 'error' this is unacceptable.

And again, maybe I'm wrong but given the total amount of coverage in the media generally on this case, I don't think one story on the Today show really had all that much of an impact. Who the fuck watches the Today show anyway?

Seriously... why are you so defensive? Are you actually pretending that the tape, a tape that went viral didn't have much impact? That is your contention? Hilarious.

 

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You do realize that is what we have been doing in this thread, don't you?

Actually, your first post was a demand for the name of the producer and you have said that the producer, not NBC, needs to he held accountable to the public. So, that's not all you've been doing in this thread.

Only to hear you proclaim 'they have done enough! any firm who 'clears' themselves is good enough for me!!!'

I didn't say that. I said that firing the producer is good enough punishment for the producer and that if you want to rake NBC over the goals you should go right ahead. My comment to Damo w/r/t straw men is applicable here as well.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

And I get criticized for so-called straw men arguments? Yikes.

straw man? Take a look at posts 4 & 5 on this thread. He is saying NBC didn't do enough. He was calling them out for the lack of effort. You respond with your 'they did all they should have done'

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

And I get criticized for so-called straw men arguments? Yikes.

straw man? Take a look at posts 4 & 5 on this thread. He is saying NBC didn't do enough. He was calling them out for the lack of effort. You respond with your 'they did all they should have done'

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

This case was nationalized by the media for many reasons:

1) They thought it was a white man that killed a black man: 'yeah we can sensationalize that'
2) They knew they could play the 'stand your ground law' into such wonderful topics as some liberals like such as 'it is really a shoot a n****r law'
3) They edited the tape to fan the racial flames
4) The local cops have a history of racial bias
5) The State DA seemed ready to ignore the case due to lack of evidence, when it looks like at a minimum Zimmerman should be facing manslaughter charges.

The point is, there is nothing about this case to make it more important than the issues of the day, the news media didn't HAVE to jump on this, but they did. There are hundreds, maybe thousands of similar incidents happening every day across this country, and we never hear about them. Like you said, there are several good reasons for them nationalizing the story, but how many more 'stories' are out there, which they COULD nationalize the same way, between now and election time?

My point was, and still is.... this whole charade is an orchestration by the media, and I think, by the administration as well, as they have implicated themselves by commenting. This has consumed the media for weeks.... hour after hour of pounding stuff into our heads about the parties... who did what...who said what... ooo...a 'gated community?' Hmmmm..... We're led down this totally subjective path to their pre-drawn conclusions and inferences, and essentially brainwashed into believing this is a much bigger deal than it really is. In the meantime, the real problems are still there, and still not being adequately addressed by this administration.... and the news media is just too busy to tell us about that!

 

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I don't really know the politics of the producer. I just don't think his or her mistake, egregious as it was, means that the producer "has to answer to the public" such that NBC has an obligation to disclose the producer's identity and subject that person to the wrath of the mob and pretty much fuck any chance of future employability. The producer fucked up and was fired. That's good enough for me.

If you want to rake NBC over the coals, go nuts. I just don't see the need for a public flogging of the producer.

Yet you support the total destruction of Zimmermans life, even if he's found innocent; because he's been subjected "...to the wrath of the mob and pretty much fuck any chance of (a) future..."

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Actually, your first post was a demand for the name of the producer and you have said that the producer, not NBC, needs to he held accountable to the public. So, that's not all you've been doing in this thread.

The producer also needs to be held accountable you half wit.

I didn't say that. I said that firing the producer is good enough punishment for the producer and that if you want to rake NBC over the goals you should go right ahead. My comment to Damo w/r/t straw men is applicable here as well.

So bottom line, you don't think matters like this should ever be brought to light. That corporations should just handle everything internally... and we should just take their word for it that they have done so. That people working for corporations should not be held accountable if they harm someone else in the public so long as the corporation says they have handled it? Your defense of the producers identity remaining anonymous is completely unjustified.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

The point is, there is nothing about this case to make it more important than the issues of the day, the news media didn't HAVE to jump on this, but they did. There are hundreds, maybe thousands of similar incidents happening every day across this country, and we never hear about them. Like you said, there are several good reasons for them nationalizing the story, but how many more 'stories' are out there, which they COULD nationalize the same way, between now and election time?

My point was, and still is.... this whole charade is an orchestration by the media, and I think, by the administration as well, as they have implicated themselves by commenting. This has consumed the media for weeks.... hour after hour of pounding stuff into our heads about the parties... who did what...who said what... ooo...a 'gated community?' Hmmmm..... We're led down this totally subjective path to their pre-drawn conclusions and inferences, and essentially brainwashed into believing this is a much bigger deal than it really is. In the meantime, the real problems are still there, and still not being adequately addressed by this administration.... and the news media is just too busy to tell us about that!

I don't disagree with you, I think that in this case they thought they had more than they did and that is why they went national with it.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

I disagree. Most people do not spend a great amount of time listening to this kind of stuff. I think a great many people believe that Zimmerman said what they edited the tape to make it appear he said, that a large part of the public outcry to this event is based on what they heard in the tape that NBC edited for "clarity"...

Just look at the number of people on these boards, who jumped on the NBC bandwagon; just before the wheels fell off.

 

[Damocles]

And I get criticized for so-called straw men arguments? Yikes.

It was what you said in this very thread. That isn't a straw man, it is simple inconsistency pointed out in less than 20 posts apart. I'm good with that, but it is sad when you try to pretend it isn't there with some sad post like this.

 

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1) We find out WHY the producer did it. 'It was an accident' is nothing more than complete bullshit.
2) The producer tilted the nation against Zimmerman by 'revealing' him to be racist. Yet you don't think Zimmerman should know who was responsible?
3) It does hold NBC accountable in that it will force the discussion to be had. Right now they could have easily fired some nobody, paid them off to take the fall and tried to move on. We have no friggin idea and given the nature of the 'error' this is unacceptable.

(1) We can find out why the producer did it without knowing the producer's name.
(2) I don't know if Zimmerman is a racist, but I know that he acted on the basis of Martin's race that night.
(3) It doesn't hold NBC accountable at all. To the extent it can be argued that it does, there are other ways of doing it without revealing the producer's identity.

Seriously... why are you so defensive? Are you actually pretending that the tape, a tape that went viral didn't have much impact? That is your contention? Hilarious.

The actual 911 tapes were publicly available to anyone and were posted on a shitload of websites. If NBC had exclusive access you'd have an argument, but that's not the case. I seriously doubt that the Today show really has that much reach.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

I do disagree with SF on that because while this is strictly conjecture I bet there were more than just one person involved in this and this individual fired took the fall. Therefore it's not so much him as it is NBC that needs to come clean with what really happened to regain trust from the viewing public. Saying we fired someone without saying who and all is swept under the rug doesn't do that imo.

I wonder how big of a "severence pay" he got and how many letters of reference were written.

 

[Bonestorm]

It was what you said in this very thread. That isn't a straw man, it is simple inconsistency pointed out in less than 20 posts apart. I'm good with that, but it is sad when you try to pretend it isn't there with some sad post like this.

Hilarious. There's a difference between "NBC is a legitimate target for criticism over this incident" and "all criticism of NBC over this incident is legitimate." You can pretend to not be smart enough to know the difference if you wish.

 

[Bonestorm]

The producer also needs to be held accountable you half wit.

But you said that you were holding NBC accountable in this thread. But you weren't. In any event, the producer was held accountable. That's why he or she no longer works for NBC.

So bottom line, you don't think matters like this should ever be brought to light. That corporations should just handle everything internally... and we should just take their word for it that they have done so. That people working for corporations should not be held accountable if they harm someone else in the public so long as the corporation says they have handled it? Your defense of the producers identity remaining anonymous is completely unjustified.

You aren't doing a very good job of summarizing my views.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

(1) We can find out why the producer did it without knowing the producer's name.
(2) I don't know if Zimmerman is a racist, but I know that he acted on the basis of Martin's race that night.
(3) It doesn't hold NBC accountable at all. To the extent it can be argued that it does, there are other ways of doing it without revealing the producer's identity.




The actual 911 tapes were publicly available to anyone and were posted on a shitload of websites. If NBC had exclusive access you'd have an argument, but that's not the case. I seriously doubt that the Today show really has that much reach.

"...but I know that he acted on the basis of Martin's race that night."

How do you KNOW this?

 

[Bonestorm]

Million of f'ing women.

So about one half of one percent of the female population?