North Korea

Superfreak said:
http://abcnews.go.com/International...launch-failure/story?id=16129220#.T4gtItnh-So

Wow... North Korea went back on their word? Violated the ballyhooed agreement with the Obama admin? Who could have ever predicted that? It hasn't happened since the last time we negotiated the same f'in deal with N. Korea.

Now talk that they are prepping for a nuclear test? It's 3:00am... anyone home?
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Maybe it wasn't a good idea to say mean things about North Korea while doing nothing to prevent them from actually developing nuclear weapons in the first instance. Just a thought.

And I'm not sure what the "it's 3 a.m." comment means. I don't get the sense that there is particular urgency following a failed missile test that was announced last month. What exactly is the urgency and what do you think ought to be done?
 
Their complete failure will ensure another test of some kind that will be successful. They can't have a failed missile be their last overt act...
 
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General Buck Turgidson said:
Maybe it wasn't a good idea to say mean things about North Korea while doing nothing to prevent them from actually developing nuclear weapons in the first instance. Just a thought.
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Obama has been President for over three years Dung. He has done nothing except use the same failed strategy Clinton used.

And I'm not sure what the "it's 3 a.m." comment means. I don't get the sense that there is particular urgency following a failed missile test that was announced last month. What exactly is the urgency and what do you think ought to be done?
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Try reading the article Dung.
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
Clinton's strategy actually worked. North Korea developed nukes under Bush, which complicates matters significantly.
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What a crock of shit. Clinton's strategy did not work. North Korea took what Clinton gave them and developed nukes anyway.

I read the article. I didn't see your opinion in there. That's why I asked for it.
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If you had actually read the article, you would know what I am talking about. Clearly you did not read the article.
 
Looks like we are in a good place with NK, there rocket did not work. We have been successfull in preventing them from being able to build a working rocket and now they have demonstrated that to the world. We are in a stronger negotiating position.
 
Jarod said:
Looks like we are in a good place with NK, there rocket did not work. We have been successfull in preventing them from being able to build a working rocket and now they have demonstrated that to the world. We are in a stronger negotiating position.
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ROFLMAO...

1) We did not do anything to prevent them from building a rocket that works Jarod. They simply don't have the tech to do it yet. It has nothing to do with us.
2) We are not in a strong position when they continually agree to take food in exchange for not firing missiles and not testing nukes. We appear weak and ignorant because we keep believing the N Koreans and keep giving them stuff to not do what they do anyway.
 
Superfreak said:
What a crock of shit. Clinton's strategy did not work. North Korea took what Clinton gave them and developed nukes anyway.
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Not really. North Korea did work on procuring uranium and developing a uranium enrichment program in contravention of the Agreed Framework, but it wasn't operational. It's already developed plutonium enrichment facility was shuttered and the fuel under IAEA seal. The Bush Administration, upon learning of NK's procurement of centrifuges for enruching uranium (note, the centrifuges were not on line yet and the process had not started), pulled out of the Agreed Framework. This allowed NK to immediately restart up its plutonium enrichment program and to procure enough fuel for several bombs in short order.

That's the timeline. And yes, NK did violate the Agreed Framework, but the Bush Administration's response was stupid.


Superfreak said:
If you had actually read the article, you would know what I am talking about. Clearly you did not read the article.
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I'm just asking your opinion, SF. It's not too hard. I read the article. Your opinion wasn't in there.
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
Not really. North Korea did work on procuring uranium and developing a uranium enrichment program in contravention of the Agreed Framework, but it wasn't operational. It's already developed plutonium enrichment facility was shuttered and the fuel under IAEA seal. The Bush Administration, upon learning of NK's procurement of centrifuges for enruching uranium (note, the centrifuges were not on line yet and the process had not started), pulled out of the Agreed Framework. This allowed NK to immediately restart up its plutonium enrichment program and to procure enough fuel for several bombs in short order.

That's the timeline. And yes, NK did violate the Agreed Framework, but the Bush Administration's response was stupid.
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And the Obama response of 'lets walk the exact same path as before' is fucking retarded.

I'm just asking your opinion, SF. It's not too hard. I read the article. Your opinion wasn't in there.
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We all know my opinion isn't in the article moron. Read the article. if you are too ignorant to understand, then by all means, come on back and proclaim you are too ignorant to understand. Then I will spell it out for you and the other simpletons.
 
Superfreak said:
read the article Jarod. If you missed it, re-reading the article knowing that it is there should help you.
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Ok I see it says they agreed not to launch long range missles. It appears they tried to launch a missle they belived would be long range.

I still belvie this puts in a better negotiating position since it did not work.
 
Superfreak said:
And the Obama response of 'lets walk the exact same path as before' is fucking retarded.
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Well, at this point there is not much more that can be done other than isolating and containing North Korea. Circumstances have changed considerably over the past ten years. In 2001, North Korea did not have nukes, had a shuttered plutonium enrichment facility and plutonium under IAEA seal and the fledgling uranium enrichment program that was not operational. In 2012, North Korea has several plutonium-based nukes at least and an operational uranium enrichment program that may have produced enough fuel for several uranium-based nukes.

It's a whole different ball game. Now it isn't a matter of preventing NK from getting nukes. That horse left the barn a while ago. Under the present circumstances, there's not much to be done other than trying to negotiate and isolating the regime if it fails meaningfully to engage. The recent NK action serve the latter function and give the US much more support from countries otherwise not disposed to take strong action on NK, like China and Russia.


Superfreak said:
We all know my opinion isn't in the article moron. Read the article. if you are too ignorant to understand, then by all means, come on back and proclaim you are too ignorant to understand. Then I will spell it out for you and the other simpletons.
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Alternatively, you could just answer the questions. I'm particularly interested in finding out what you think ought to be done.
 
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