Ann Romney Has No Dignity?

Superfreak said:
Just because he didn't climb up from poverty doesn't mean they had household staff helping them. Liberals have trotted out the number of staff at his house in 2010 as if that proves the Romneys had maids when the kids were young.

You just again stated that there is a difference between no nanny and no help whatsoever. You are again implying that they had help of any sort. You do not know that. You just continue to assume it.

you also make the false assumption that people who have never struggled financially cannot empathize with those who have. That is also a false assumption. I have not experienced the loss of a parent, yet I can most certainly empathize with my friends that have. You and many others are pretending that the only way someone can relate to someone else is if their situations are identical/very similar. That is nonsense.
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I can't empathize with millionaires because I'm not a millionaire. I can't empathize with those who bemoan the lack of good help, the so-called tax burdens, and the charitable demands because this isn't a milieu I've ever been a part of, and the same goes for Ann. She may sympathize with women who have to juggle multiple responsibilities in and out of the home but it's not the same as living it. IMO nobody can actually feel the same feelings unless they've experienced them first hand. There's a difference between empathy and sympathy.

I don't know as a fact whether or not the Romneys had any kind of household help but the probability is high because it's typical of multimillionaires that they don't "do it yourself." Furthermore, I'm not slamming them if they did, I know plenty of middle-class people who pay others to clean the house or do yard work. You probably know some millionaires yourself, do you think they go home at the end of the day and scrub toilets?
 
In the end, I just don't care that much, if at all. What difference does it make how long they've been rich? People tend to lose touch as they go - if they are rich in their 50's but were middle class in their 20's, I doubt that they can still relate much to that experience. It's long forgotten - and usually willfully.

Almost everyone at that level (the level to run for Prez) tends to be rich. I actually wish that were not always the case, but it just is. More alarming to me is the fact that Obama is about to break another record for campaign spending, but in general, I wish their was less money in politics - both personal & in the campaigns...
 
christiefan915 said:
I can't empathize with millionaires because I'm not a millionaire. I can't empathize with those who bemoan the lack of good help, the so-called tax burdens, and the charitable demands because this isn't a milieu I've ever been a part of, and the same goes for Ann. She may sympathize with women who have to juggle multiple responsibilities in and out of the home but it's not the same as living it. IMO nobody can actually feel the same feelings unless they've experienced them first hand. There's a difference between empathy and sympathy.

I don't know as a fact whether or not the Romneys had any kind of household help but the probability is high because it's typical of multimillionaires that they don't "do it yourself." Furthermore, I'm not slamming them if they did, I know plenty of middle-class people who pay others to clean the house or do yard work. You probably know some millionaires yourself, do you think they go home at the end of the day and scrub toilets?
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I highlighted that because that is where your assumptions are going astray for two reasons:

1) Many self made millionaires DO take care of things on their own, especially when they are younger and building their portfolios. Read the millionaire next door. Those self made millionaires typically have the work ethic that they feel they should take care of it on their own if they can. It is how they become millionaires in the first place.

2) You are assuming that Mitt and Ann were multi-millionaires when their kids were growing up. What are you basing that off of? Oh yeah, the fact that they have so much money NOW.
 
(Not a rhetorical question) Does anyone know how involved in policy decisions Ann Romney was when Mitt was Governor of Massachusetts?

Just a random thought but I'm wondering if his whole 'I look to my wife on woman economic issues' was just a throw away line used to pander to women and thus this whole debate on Ann Romney's background is much to do about nothing?
 
Onceler said:
In the end, I just don't care that much, if at all. What difference does it make how long they've been rich? People tend to lose touch as they go - if they are rich in their 50's but were middle class in their 20's, I doubt that they can still relate much to that experience. It's long forgotten - and usually willfully.
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I disagree, people who work hard for it and earn it, do not tend to forget what it took to get there. That work ethic is ingrained after so many years working for what you have. I think those that suddenly come into a lot of money ie... athletes, lottery winners, young actors etc... do tend to lose touch... and it is why so many of them end up broke. They don't have a sense of the value of a dollar.

The reason it matters how long they have been multi-millionaires is because 99% of liberals on here are pretending that because they have staff and 250 million now that they just must have had loads of money and staff to help raise the kids (or help out with the house so Ann had more time with the kids... is what it has now morphed into)

Almost everyone at that level (the level to run for Prez) tends to be rich. I actually wish that were not always the case, but it just is. More alarming to me is the fact that Obama is about to break another record for campaign spending, but in general, I wish their was less money in politics - both personal & in the campaigns...
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on that we agree completely.
 
Onceler said:
In the end, I just don't care that much, if at all. What difference does it make how long they've been rich? People tend to lose touch as they go - if they are rich in their 50's but were middle class in their 20's, I doubt that they can still relate much to that experience. It's long forgotten - and usually willfully.

Almost everyone at that level (the level to run for Prez) tends to be rich. I actually wish that were not always the case, but it just is. More alarming to me is the fact that Obama is about to break another record for campaign spending, but in general, I wish their was less money in politics - both personal & in the campaigns...
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Not talking about the Romney's specifically but rich/wealthy people in general I think a lot of them do remember what it was like when they were young and struggling. (Of course I am generalizing here). That doesn't mean they don't have maids or help around their house but just my observations have been they have carried with them their whole life the same work ethic they had when they were young and didn't have money as they did when they were older and had money.
 
cawacko said:
(Not a rhetorical question) Does anyone know how involved in policy decisions Ann Romney was when Mitt was Governor of Massachusetts?
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Not one whit.


cawacko said:
Just a random thought but I'm wondering if his whole 'I look to my wife on woman economic issues' was just a throw away line used to pander to women and thus this whole debate on Ann Romney's background is much to do about nothing?
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It wasn't a throwaway line, it was a nonsense line that betrays the fundamental weakness of Mitt's position with women voters. That's why the response to the response has become the story. The response itself was laughable.
 
Superfreak said:
I disagree, people who work hard for it and earn it, do not tend to forget what it took to get there. That work ethic is ingrained after so many years working for what you have. I think those that suddenly come into a lot of money ie... athletes, lottery winners, young actors etc... do tend to lose touch... and it is why so many of them end up broke. They don't have a sense of the value of a dollar.

The reason it matters how long they have been multi-millionaires is because 99% of liberals on here are pretending that because they have staff and 250 million now that they just must have had loads of money and staff to help raise the kids (or help out with the house so Ann had more time with the kids... is what it has now morphed into)



on that we agree completely.
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Bullshit. People most certainly do forgot, not that there was ANYTHING TO FUCKING FORGET, SINCE THEY NEVER STRUGGLED FINACIALY, Superfail.
 
Don Quixote said:
she does not understand the challenges of a working single parent - not unless she gets to know some rather well. in other words, she would have to work at

i have been a single working parent as has been my wife, and until you have experiences/problems/challenges like that i challenge you to understand the pressures of working while on a tight budget and trying to keep your kids fed, clothed and housed
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Amen. I can show you compassion, I can say I understand, but you really don't until you experience it personally.
 
Damocles said:
Which she does, speaking to more than her fair share of women along this campaign trail.


I understand them well, I am the sole supporter of an entire family and have been for a very long time now. This assumption that success would take away my capacity to understand such things is a ridiculous assumption based on what you want to feel rather than what we know of people.
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No, talking to people and having compassion for them is not the same as living the experience, I am sorry. You can listen to my stories about cancer, see how much I went through, but it won't be the same for you and it demeans what I have been through to say that having compassion for what I have been through is the same as my going through the process.

It is ridiculous to say knowing about something is the same as experiencing it.
 
Just btw, what has ann ever said or done that makes anyone believe she sympathizes with anyone anyway? Did she, like Elizabeth Edwards, talk about how her heart went out to all of the women who had breast cancer who weren't lucky enough to have her health care coverage? Did she advocate for changes in our health care system so that they would, as Edwards did?

The only thing I have heard or seen her say about sympathizing with others who struggle was when she said that believe her, she has struggled too, it wasn't always easy, after all when Mitt was at University they had to sell some of his father's stocks.

Is that what you guys are talking about?

Cause unless you got something to show me, you are just wanking. Are you guys just wanking again? Insatiable aren't you.
 
Superfreak said:
1) Many self made millionaires DO take care of things on their own, especially when they are younger and building their portfolios. Read the millionaire next door. Those self made millionaires typically have the work ethic that they feel they should take care of it on their own if they can. It is how they become millionaires in the first place.
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Even one of my friends, who inherited his father's shipping company and $50+ million, does not have full-time hired help, and he was by no means a self-made millionaire. His wife stays at home with their two children. They also live in a somewhat modest home, considering their wealth.

I'm very tired of liberals making assumptions about the wealthy. They have no fucking clue.
 
Voltaire said:
Even one of my friends, who inherited his father's shipping company and $50+ million, does not have full-time hired help, and he was by no means a self-made millionaire. His wife stays at home with their two children. They also live in a somewhat modest home, considering their wealth.

I'm very tired of liberals making assumptions about the wealthy. They have no fucking clue.
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Actually (in my neck of the woods) the liberals are the wealthy.
 
Voltaire said:
Even one of my friends, who inherited his father's shipping company and $50+ million, does not have full-time hired help, and he was by no means a self-made millionaire. His wife stays at home with their two children. They also live in a somewhat modest home, considering their wealth.

I'm very tired of liberals making assumptions about the wealthy. They have no fucking clue.
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Oh, we have a clue, we know you friend doesn't struggle like a single mother or father who has to work outside the home and raise family on their own, that is the point being made.

My friend lives very simply and has millions, but they do not have the same trials as those they employ and they know it.
 
Rune said:
Bullshit. People most certainly do forgot, not that there was ANYTHING TO FUCKING FORGET, SINCE THEY NEVER STRUGGLED FINACIALY, Superfail.
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Some people do, many do not. You are simply spouting more class envy bullshit. Mitt earned what he has today and you are jealous.
 
Rana said:
Oh, we have a clue, we know you friend doesn't struggle like a single mother or father who has to work outside the home and raise family on their own, that is the point being made.

My friend lives very simply and has millions, but they do not have the same trials as those they employ and they know it.
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and NO ONE is suggesting that the Romneys struggled like single parents. Amazing how the bar keeps getting shifted. The entire class envy thing is getting ridiculous.
 
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