Have the Wingnuts and Tea baggers had their day?

Dixie said:
I think it's more of an indicator the base didn't want to run a strong social conservative this time, and be bombarded by the seculars. I think it actually may have more to do with true Tea Party support than your perception. You see, most of you nimrods have bought into this rhetoric about the Tea Party being a bunch of Christian Conservatives, but it's really not. The bulk of who comprise the Tea Party are independents and constitutional conservatives, with a good healthy portion of evangelicals. While the media and Democrats have been under the impression that Santorum was THE Tea Party candidate, I am not so sure that was the case. I think many TP'ers voted for Romney.

Furthermore, I do believe you are all in for a rude awakening come November. There seems to be no sign of anything miraculous happening with the economy and jobs, or even gas prices for that matter, and if things don't change dramatically, Obama will lose by 20 points.
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You make some good points Dixie but what are you smoking thinking Obama will lose by 20 points? If he does I will praise your name on this board for calling it but I would bet thousands of dollars against you.
 
Gatorman said:
You bragged about what happened in 2010 politically. The results of the good works of those rightwing successes have so far gotten them Mitt for their defacto nominee and hundreds of troubled rightwing campaigns nationwide. I've got my voter registration up to date, plenty of popcorn and Cherry Dr. Pepper and this is gonna be good!
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I didn't brag about anything. I simply asked you a question based on your statement.
 
cawacko said:
You make some good points Dixie but what are you smoking thinking Obama will lose by 20 points? If he does I will praise your name on this board for calling it but I would bet thousands of dollars against you.
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Well, how many points would he have lost by in 2010, if he had been on the ballot? The Tea Party took an unprecedented 600 statehouse seats! Some state legislatures turned Republican for the first time since Reconstruction. It was a massive Republican slaughter, and it was primarily the result of passing Obamacare. Okay, Obamacare is still there, and if Obama isn't removed in November, it will be permanent. If people turned out in droves to protest passage of Obamacare, it stands to reason in my mind, they will turn out for the last possible chance to kill it. Not to mention, the MILLIONS of people who are worse off now than 4 years ago, and the fact that Americans have always voted with their pocketbook... 20 points might be a 'conservative' number. Remember, at this point in the 1980 elections, Jimmy Carter still enjoyed a lead over the GOP hopeful, Ronald Reagan. As a matter of fact, up until the final month of that election, no one had any idea Reagan would win, the polling was very mystic from place to place. Some had him up by huge margins, others had Carter in a cakewalk, and I remember, even on election night, they were surprised at a landslide by Reagan, some had predicted him to win, but everyone thought it would be a much closer race. This isn't much different, in my mind.
 
When some southern state houses go from Democratic to Republican for the first time since RECONSTRUCTION? Who said that? Must be something mighty scary happening in the south for that to happen. I'm looking at you, racist dicklicker.
 
Gatorman said:
When some southern state houses go from Democratic to Republican for the first time since RECONSTRUCTION? Who said that? Must be something mighty scary happening in the south for that to happen. I'm looking at you, racist dicklicker.
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Just so you are aware of it, this is the post on which I put you on ignore. Never to be responded to again. Buh-bye.
 
I don't think Mitt will do it. I Think Mitt suffers from the delusion that many business magnates make that enter politics. That success in business translates to success in politics. After all he has plenty of mothers milk (money) but inevitably there autocratic nature trips them up.
 
Derp Derp said:
I don't think Mitt will do it. I Think Mitt suffers from the delusion that many business magnates make that enter politics. That success in business translates to success in politics. After all he has plenty of mothers milk (money) but inevitably there autocratic nature trips them up.
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I'm not saying he'll win but he won the Governership of a blue state as a Republican. It's not like he's Herman Cain who never held elective office.
 
cawacko said:
I'm not saying he'll win but he won the Governership of a blue state as a Republican. It's not like he's Herman Cain who never held elective office.
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He's also not like Santorum, Newt, Paul, and Obama for that matter, because he has actually been a governor. He does bring some credible things to the table, including his apparent ability to break through and communicate on some level with pinheads, a rare and unusual feat these days. He isn't a lot of people's "first pick" but I am sure he will be their pick over Obama. Especially if the conditions do not change dramatically in the next few months.
 
Dixie said:
He's also not like Santorum, Newt, Paul, and Obama for that matter, because he has actually been a governor. He does bring some credible things to the table, including his apparent ability to break through and communicate on some level with pinheads, a rare and unusual feat these days. He isn't a lot of people's "first pick" but I am sure he will be their pick over Obama. Especially if the conditions do not change dramatically in the next few months.
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I'm staying away from November predictions and if Romney wins I'm not expecting a lot out of him. That being said he worked his way to (successfully) manage a major company. He be became Governor of a state dominated by the opposite party. The man has been successful and has the qualifications to be the POTUS.

I think the point Mott was trying to make is applicable to many businessmen who try to get into politics. He's wrong though in attempting to say it applies to Romney.
 
cawacko said:
I'm staying away from November predictions and if Romney wins I'm not expecting a lot out of him. That being said he worked his way to (successfully) manage a major company. He be became Governor of a state dominated by the opposite party. The man has been successful and has the qualifications to be the POTUS.

I think the point Mott was trying to make is applicable to many businessmen who try to get into politics. He's wrong though in attempting to say it applies to Romney.
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Well, considering he has been running for president the past 6 years, I'd say at least his 'team' is politically savvy by now, or should be. Another area Romney is head and shoulders above any of the other GOP contenders. Arguably, Mitt actually makes a pretty good presidential candidate, being a success in business is an ASSET when the economy is in the shitter, I would think.
 
cawacko said:
I'm staying away from November predictions and if Romney wins I'm not expecting a lot out of him. That being said he worked his way to (successfully) manage a major company. He be became Governor of a state dominated by the opposite party. The man has been successful and has the qualifications to be the POTUS.

I think the point Mott was trying to make is applicable to many businessmen who try to get into politics. He's wrong though in attempting to say it applies to Romney.
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Romney has never faced anything like this though. Granted, he is qualified and he is a competent executive, unlike Bush, so I don't fear his being elected as I did Bush (and we all know what a catastrophe Bush turned out to be.) I also agree with you that Mitt's no Herman Cain but will he be able to manage the pressure cooker of this campaign and stay on message. Hell....will he have a message? So far his message "Vote for me. I'm not Obama and I'll be whomever you want me to be.".

He won't win that way. Romney needs to come storming back towards the center of American politics and though attacks on his opponent are expected, he needs to develop a distinct message. Something he has yet to produce. This election is going to boil down to the 11 swing States. With the exception of a few States, the southern and rural west States will hold their nose and vote Romney. The opposite is true on the Pacific Coast, and North East and most of the great lakes region.

Romney is going to have to do things that will piss of the wingnuts of his party to win. He's going to have to soften the parties stance on immigration reform to win Florida. Romney can't afford to lose Florida but Republican parties immigration platform has alienated a traditionally Republican constituency. Romney can regain that by softening the Republican stance on immigration reform. The Webways of the world won't like that but fuck them. After the nomination their influence won't mean a lot.

The three most important States in this election, the ones that will determine who our next President is, will be Ohio, PA and Florida. Whichever Candidate wins two of those States will be our next President and Romney can't win any of those States with a right wing platform.

So developing a consistent message for independents and swing voters of these three States is what is critical for Romney right now and that's where I'd be worried if I was a Romney supporter. He doesn't have the organization in place that Obama does nor does he have a consistent message like Obama and it shoes in the polls in those three States where Romney is significantly behind Obama in all three of those States.
 
cawacko said:
I'm not saying he'll win but he won the Governership of a blue state as a Republican. It's not like he's Herman Cain who never held elective office.
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Meaningless. We routinely hire red governors due to having 86% dems in the legislation. We are liberal, not stupid.
 
Dixie said:
Well, considering he has been running for president the past 6 years, I'd say at least his 'team' is politically savvy by now, or should be. Another area Romney is head and shoulders above any of the other GOP contenders. Arguably, Mitt actually makes a pretty good presidential candidate, being a success in business is an ASSET when the economy is in the shitter, I would think.
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:rofl: So now being a losing candidate for six years prepares one for the presidencey?
 
The tea party is that odd coalition of conservatives, libertarians, racists, neocons, single issue voters, and whiners that has always made up the republican party. A few were added after LBJ. Today money controls the dialogue, consider that seed money for these whiners came from corporate sources who preach all we need is lower taxes and nirvana will follow. If brain cells were involved, Bush II's failure would show then the folly of lower taxes, but belief is not often based on reason. Add right wing radio, corporate supported think tanks, and Fox media and is it any wonder some would vote for candidates whose only interest is greed while screwing them. One could look at them as cheery masochists. The tea party members in congress are among the dumbest in American history, but they repeat the words their corporate sponsors give them and the righties follow as children do. Republicans follow their leaders and their leaders lead them nowhere, for real change is anathema.
 
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