Has Ted Nugent been Dixie Chicked?

Onceler said:
Then you're blind...what can I tell you? As I said previously on this thread, people have talked openly about not wanting to be "Dixie Chicked." Particularly during the Iraq War w/ Ari's comments and the boycott, and people getting called "traitor" left & right, speech was definitely chilled. Dissent was frowned upon and often attacked, in a very open way.

I mean, it's absurd to say that dissenting speech wasn't discouraged during that time. You live on a different planet, Yurtsie.
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if people felt uncomfortable that wasn't the president's fault. that comment did not limit speech. what you're talking about are public figures not wanting to piss off their fan base. that had zero do to with bush's comment. do try and stay focused.

there was dissenting speech and there was speech against that dissenting speech. you see onceler, speech is a two way street. i don't have to approve of your speech simply because you have a right to voice it. if you hyper-sensitive about it and feel uncomfortable voicing your speech because others don't approve, pound sand and get a spine.

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in fact, bush supported the dixie chicks right to voice their dissent. onceler is full of shit as usual.
 
Yurt said:
if people felt uncomfortable that wasn't the president's fault. that comment did not limit speech. what you're talking about are public figures not wanting to piss off their fan base. that had zero do to with bush's comment. do try and stay focused.

there was dissenting speech and there was speech against that dissenting speech. you see onceler, speech is a two way street. i don't have to approve of your speech simply because you have a right to voice it. if you hyper-sensitive about it and feel uncomfortable voicing your speech because others don't approve, pound sand and get a spine.
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If Ari & Obama didn't want to discourage speech, why did they say what they said?

Oops.

Speech was chilled. When people feel like their gov't is watching them, or that their livelihood will be affected, or that they'll be branded a traitor - they tend to keep more quiet. Them's just the facts. Again, it's my opinion that the country is better served by encouraging free speech rather than discouraging it.

Pretty radical, I know.
 
I still cant figure out why the LIberal media banned the Dixie Chicks but not Ted Nuget.
 
ler;986677]If Ari & Obama didn't want to discourage speech, why did they say what they said?

Oops.
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because they didn't agree with it. this isn't rocket science. you're just a timid internet warrior afraid of little comments.

Speech was chilled. When people feel like their gov't is watching them, or that their livelihood will be affected, or that they'll be branded a traitor - they tend to keep more quiet. Them's just the facts. Again, it's my opinion that the country is better served by encouraging free speech rather than discouraging it.

Pretty radical, I know.
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so you can't cite a specific example, but can only repeat your paranoid, delusional nightmare that speech was chilled. just as you are free to speak, i (or obama, bush) am free to say i don't agree with your speech. i added this after i posted:

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in fact, bush supported the dixie chicks right to voice their dissent. onceler is full of shit as usual.
 
Yurt said:
because they didn't agree with it. this isn't rocket science. you're just a timid internet warrior afraid of little comments.



so you can't cite a specific example, but can only repeat your paranoid, delusional nightmare that speech was chilled. just as you are free to speak, i (or obama, bush) am free to say i don't agree with your speech. i added this after i posted:

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in fact, bush supported the dixie chicks right to voice their dissent. onceler is full of shit as usual.
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You have SUCH a hard time reading, on so many levels. First, I'm not talking about myself. I'll speak my mind wherever, whenever. I'm talking about the climate that was created for free speech in general. It's hopeless to argue that speech was encouraged during those years. It wasn't; people just wanted others who disagreed w/ them to shut up. They didn't try to counter opinions in the arena of ideas with opinions of their own; they just wanted silence.

And how am I full of shit? I said that speech was chilled during the 1st years of the Iraq war by Ari's comments, the Chicks boycott & lots of folks being called a traitor. Once again, that turns into you defending Bush somehow.

You're really an idiot, of epic proportions. Debating with you is like hitting my head against a brick wall - not entirely accurate, since I think a brick wall might be able to read better than you....
 
Yurt said:
no surprise you support it when obama signs it. yawn. i actually read more than just that link when the story was first out dumbass, including the proposed law.
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Well, what's the problem with it and how does it compare to existing law?
 
As for specific examples - Yurt, what do you think "Dixie Chicked" means? Why do you think people use that term?

You're a fool. Someone w/ no intellectual depth or reasoning capability whatsoever. And I know - Onceler runs away and ad homs when he can't debate, because he's so "afraid" of you.
 
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986691]As for specific examples - Yurt, what do you think "Dixie Chicked" means? Why do you think people use that term?
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it means if you are a public figure and you care about your fan base, watch what you say if you want to keep your fan base. your problem is you can't discern between different types of speech because you are far left wing hack. you think the dixie chicks are the only party entitled to free speech. you don't believe people who do not agree with their speech have any right to not buy their records, to throw records in the trash, to speak out against their speech. you have no concept of what free speech means.

You're a fool. Someone w/ no intellectual depth or reasoning capability whatsoever. And I know - Onceler runs away and ad homs when he can't debate, because he's so "afraid" of you.
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and of course you prove me right once again. why don't you count to 10 slowly and focus on what we are discussing.
 
Yurt said:
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it means if you are a public figure and you care about your fan base, watch what you say if you want to keep your fan base. your problem is you can't discern between different types of speech because you are far left wing hack. you think the dixie chicks are the only party entitled to free speech. you don't believe people who do not agree with their speech have any right to not buy their records, to throw records in the trash, to speak out against their speech. you have no concept of what free speech means.



and of course you prove me right once again. why don't you count to 10 slowly and focus on what we are discussing.
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You just lied. That's a blatant lie - right above there, in bold. You are a liar Yurt.

I have never said that people have no right to do any of what you said.

You lie - constantly.
 
Onceler said:
You have SUCH a hard time reading, on so many levels. First, I'm not talking about myself. I'll speak my mind wherever, whenever. I'm talking about the climate that was created for free speech in general. It's hopeless to argue that speech was encouraged during those years. It wasn't; people just wanted others who disagreed w/ them to shut up. They didn't try to counter opinions in the arena of ideas with opinions of their own; they just wanted silence.

And how am I full of shit? I said that speech was chilled during the 1st years of the Iraq war by Ari's comments, the Chicks boycott & lots of folks being called a traitor. Once again, that turns into you defending Bush somehow.

You're really an idiot, of epic proportions. Debating with you is like hitting my head against a brick wall - not entirely accurate, since I think a brick wall might be able to read better than you....
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You have reached the same conclusion I have drawn. Engaging these idiots is like hitting your head against a brick wall....do as I have started to do...make references to their idiocy, but don't engage them....it only encourages them. Thumbs up.
 
Yurt said:
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it means if you are a public figure and you care about your fan base, watch what you say if you want to keep your fan base. your problem is you can't discern between different types of speech because you are far left wing hack. you think the dixie chicks are the only party entitled to free speech. you don't believe people who do not agree with their speech have any right to not buy their records, to throw records in the trash, to speak out against their speech. you have no concept of what free speech means.



and of course you prove me right once again. why don't you count to 10 slowly and focus on what we are discussing.
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I disagree, I think he has a very strong perception of free speech, even stronger than mine because I believe in boycotting to show my dissatisfaction of people's speech and he feels boycotting stifles speech.
 
ler;986689]You have SUCH a hard time reading, on so many levels. First, I'm not talking about myself. I'll speak my mind wherever, whenever. I'm talking about the climate that was created for free speech in general. It's hopeless to argue that speech was encouraged during those years. It wasn't; people just wanted others who disagreed w/ them to shut up. They didn't try to counter opinions in the arena of ideas with opinions of their own; they just wanted silence.

And how am I full of shit? I said that speech was chilled during the 1st years of the Iraq war by Ari's comments, the Chicks boycott & lots of folks being called a traitor. Once again, that turns into you defending Bush somehow.
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lmao....the old "defending bush" schtick. i love how you get so defensive whenever anyone counters your bullshit. bush flat out said the dixie chicks have a right to voice their opinion. the little hack doesn't like this truth, so he lashes out and claims it is "defending" bush. and then we are treated with the oft claimed -- you can't read. good lord, you are fucking broken record. whenever your points get skewered you always throw out the "you can't read". yeah onceler....nobody can read, yeah that is it.

whether speech was encouraged has NOTHING to do with limiting speech. like i said, bush said the dixie chicks have a right to their opinion, but in onceler's world that comment is somehow limiting speech. you are confused as usual. you are attributing what others said in response to what bush said. once again, just because you are a timid internet warrior that gets scared that others want you to be quiet, does not mean bush or obama limited speech in any manner.

still zero specific examples btw. further proof you're full of it.

You're really an idiot, of epic proportions. Debating with you is like hitting my head against a brick wall - not entirely accurate, since I think a brick wall might be able to read better than you....
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right...that is why you can't actually back up your claims. you're so worked up over this that you posted TWICE about the matter.

let's see come concrete examples onceler, i'm tired of your delusional mind.
 
Yurt said:
how is it different than the law rana cited? that is the question.
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No. The question is how the the bill that Obama signed that you have a problem with changed the existing U.S. Code and what specifically you have a problem with about the bill.
 
Rana said:
I disagree, I think he has a very strong perception of free speech, even stronger than mine because I believe in boycotting to show my dissatisfaction of people's speech and he feels boycotting stifles speech.
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what? so you agree with me, but believe onceler has a strong perception of free speech?
 
Yurt said:
lmao....the old "defending bush" schtick. i love how you get so defensive whenever anyone counters your bullshit. bush flat out said the dixie chicks have a right to voice their opinion. the little hack doesn't like this truth, so he lashes out and claims it is "defending" bush. and then we are treated with the oft claimed -- you can't read. good lord, you are fucking broken record. whenever your points get skewered you always throw out the "you can't read". yeah onceler....nobody can read, yeah that is it.

whether speech was encouraged has NOTHING to do with limiting speech. like i said, bush said the dixie chicks have a right to their opinion, but in onceler's world that comment is somehow limiting speech. you are confused as usual. you are attributing what others said in response to what bush said. once again, just because you are a timid internet warrior that gets scared that others want you to be quiet, does not mean bush or obama limited speech in any manner.

still zero specific examples btw. further proof you're full of it.



right...that is why you can't actually back up your claims. you're so worked up over this that you posted TWICE about the matter.

let's see come concrete examples onceler, i'm tired of your delusional mind.
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And I'm tired of your lying bullshit, and your constant twisting of words. You clamor for "debate," you can't do it; at least not honestly.

Whose admin was Ari Fleischer in, anyway? I can't remember.

If anyone lived during that time period & doesn't remember the atmosphere or climate that was create w/ regard to free speech, there's not much I can do about it. You're a profound, profound idiot, Yurt - and a lying one, to boot.
 
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