Should people be allowed to carry handguns openly?

In light of the way people are shot and killed these days it happens quite often that men/women are found shot dead with their guns strapped safely away on their belts or in their pockets or purses. I don't have the numbers to prove it but my police friends tell me that open carriers are now ending up in the morgue much more often than before as are armed people in general. Having and showing a gun doesn't make one bullet proof. It only makes them stand out as a threat to others with a bit more discretion in how they handle their own defensive machinery.
 
Gatorman said:
In light of the way people are shot and killed these days it happens quite often that men/women are found shot dead with their guns strapped safely away on their belts or in their pockets or purses. I don't have the numbers to prove it but my police friends tell me that open carriers are now ending up in the morgue much more often than before as are armed people in general. Having and showing a gun doesn't make one bullet proof. It only makes them stand out as a threat to others with a bit more discretion in how they handle their own defensive machinery.
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the mainstream media would be blaring stories like this as front page news for days should this become some sort of common occurrence. No, i'm afraid I have to call shenanigans on this claim.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
the mainstream media would be blaring stories like this as front page news for days should this become some sort of common occurrence. No, i'm afraid I have to call shenanigans on this claim.
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And this coming from someone that would have others believe shit sandwiches were good and to demonstrate it you would eat one with a smile.
 
Thomas Jefferson said:
From people in those countris, via THR.org.
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I would take that with a pinch of salt. As for Italy, Italian men are far too vain to spoil the lines of their clothes with concealed weapons. You must be thinking of the Cosa Nostra and the multiplicity of state security organisations there. They do have a lot of hunting weapons though.

I can also say with some certainty that there is no such law allowing concealed carry in France.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
From the Arizona Departemnt of Public Safety site:

I entered a private business with my concealed handgun and CCW permit. The business did not have any signs posted prohibiting weapons. Shortly thereafter, an employee approached me and said they do not allow firearms in their business and I must take the gun off the premises. Can they do that?

Yes. Arizona law permits private business owners (or their designates) to prohibit weapons from being brought onto their property, whether signs are posted or not. Private businesses are typically non-government operated businesses such as grocery and department stores, convenience stores, laundromats, banks, office complexes, etc. Failure to obey the request can result in your arrest for trespassing. (ARS 13-1502 / ARS 13-1503)

Are there any firearm restrictions?
Please see below for firearm restrictions:

•Businesses serving alcohol for consumption on the premises (exceptions for peace officers and ccw permitees, see A.R.S. 4-229, A.R.S. 4-244, A.R.S. 13-3102)

•Polling places on election days (peace officers are excepted)

•School grounds (some exceptions – see below) (peace officers are excepted)

•Commercial nuclear & hydroelectric generating stations (peace officers are excepted)

•Military installations (peace officers are limited)

•Indian reservations (check w/tribe, peace officers are limited)

•Game preserves (peace officers are limited)

•National parks (peace officers are limited) more information available at www.doi.gov or contact the park service regarding pending federal legislation.

•Correctional facilities

•Federal buildings (peace officers are limited)

•Airports (in or beyond security checkpoints) (peace officers are limited)

•Where federal, state or local laws prohibit weapons (peace officers are limited)

•State or local government/private establishments or events when asked by the operator/sponsor/agent. Most government facilities will provide a location to temporarily store a firearm. Persons who refuse to leave and/or secure their weapon are trespassing and can be cited or arrested for ARS 13-1502 or ARS 13-1503, depending on the venue (peace officers are excepted)


4-229. Licenses; Handguns; Posting of Notice

A. A person with a permit issued pursuant to section 13-3112 may carry a concealed handgun on the
premises of a licensee who is an on-sale retailer unless the licensee posts a sign that clearly prohibits
the possession of weapons on the licensed premises. The sign shall conform to the following
requirements:
1. Be posted in a conspicuous location accessible to the general public and immediately adjacent to the
liquor license posted on the licensed premises.
2. Contain a pictogram that shows a firearm within a red circle and a diagonal red line across the firearm.
3. Contain the words, "no firearms allowed pursuant to A.R.S. section 4-229".
B. A person shall not carry a firearm on the licensed premises of an on-sale retailer if the licensee has posted
the notice prescribed in subsection A of this section.
C. It is an affirmative defense to a violation of subsection B of this section if:
1. The person was not informed of the notice prescribed in subsection A of this section before the
violation.
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so you were wrong and i was right

In actuallity they do have to put up a sign.
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thanks
 
\\(())// said:
Does your fear and paranoia extend to sleeping with your "weapons"?
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Legion, have you seen the newest toy? A gun safe that goes under your bed can hold up to 16 rifles/shotguns, and can be open in 15 seconds. For those dedicated people who can't decide which weapon they want to sleep with.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
the mainstream media would be blaring stories like this as front page news for days should this become some sort of common occurrence. No, i'm afraid I have to call shenanigans on this claim.
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You're attempting to use logic and reason, with a troll.
All Spud does is throw out "things" that support his agenda; but he's not able to show where the "support" comes from.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
You're attempting to use logic and reason, with a troll.
All Spud does is throw out "things" that support his agenda; but he's not able to show where the "support" comes from.
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Even though I get your pussy wet there just isn't any chemistry here, USLoserman. You are such a disgrace to your race.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
But you're the pussy here; because you let Poet fuck you and then you pay him. :)
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Keep your day gig cause you ain't clever or funny from anything. I've never understood why you ask poet to take his big black dick out of your asshole and stick it in your mouth. I bet you're a santorum slurper as well. :)
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
No; becasue I can carry a weapon into a bank, if they don't have a sign up.
Prove me to be in error.
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unbelievable....from your own link which you highlighed

Arizona law permits private business owners (or their designates) to prohibit weapons from being brought onto their property, whether signs are posted or not.

:lol:
 
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