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Darla said:
I think a lot of this paternalistic bullshit comes from the stereotype of the woman seeking an abortion as some stupid slut who got pregnant and is confused.

Of course, most women who have abortions are already mothers. They know better than Dixie or any other fool who is going to "counsel" them what is happening and what the result will be if they don't stop it. That's why they are there. They are pregnant, they know they are pregnant, and already being mothers in most cases, know what will happen if they do not terminate the pregnancy.

Forced counseling is simply unacceptable and will not be tolerated in sane states. Which thankfully, I live in.
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I've not followed the conversation in this thread so if this has already been answered then that is my fault for missing it. Are there actual statistics that say of women who have had abortions a majority already have kids? I would never guess that.
 
cawacko said:
I've not followed the conversation in this thread so if this has already been answered then that is my fault for missing it. Are there actual statistics that say of women who have had abortions a majority already have kids? I would never guess that.
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Yes. Of course you would never guess it, you're a victim of the "stupid slut" propaganda, it's not your fault. Most women seeking abortions simply do not want, cannot afford, or cannot handle, another child. But yes, the majority are already mothers. Almost all women who have abortions either are mothers now, or will eventually become mothers.
 
Darla said:
I think a lot of this paternalistic bullshit comes from the stereotype of the woman seeking an abortion as some stupid slut who got pregnant and is confused.
Of course, most women who have abortions are already mothers.

WRONG.....In 2008, 84.3% of all abortions were performed on unmarried women (CDC) The assumption must be they are not mothers unless you have other
data.....

  • 50% of U.S. women obtaining abortions are younger than 25; women aged 20-24 obtain 33% of all U.S. abortions and teenagers obtain 17% (AGI).
  • In 2008, adolescents under 15 years obtained .05% of all abortions, but had the highest abortion ratio, 821 abortions for every 1,000 live births (CDC).
  • 47% of women who have abortions had at least one previous abortion (AGI).
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They know better than Dixie or any other fool who is going to "counsel" them what is happening and what the result will be if they don't stop it. That's why they are there. They are pregnant, they know they are pregnant, and already being mothers in most cases, know what will happen if they do not terminate the pregnancy.

Forced counseling is simply unacceptable and will not be tolerated in sane states. Which thankfully, I live in.
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bravo said:
Like I said many times before......Its up to you (or me), the individual, its legal.....enjoy yourself and have as many as you want....
there is no limit on its use, I'm certainly not stopping you.......just admit to what it is you're doing and don't give me a song and dance about it not being a human in its earliest stages of growth and development by calling the human funny names that mean nothing more than teenager or adult or geriatric........
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You have never seen me do a song and dance. I am just for the right of the woman to have a choice. It is no one's business beside the woman, her doctor and her God, if she has one. If she decides to include the male, that is her choice, also. The rest of the world just needs to keep off her body and out other head.

There won't be any abortions for me, chemo decided my reproductive fate five years ago.

If this were a male issue we would not be having this discussion, that is that is so sad...
 
Rana said:
You have never seen me do a song and dance. I am just for the right of the woman to have a choice. It is no one's business beside the woman, her doctor and her God, if she has one. If she decides to include the male, that is her choice, also. The rest of the world just needs to keep off her body and out other head.

There won't be any abortions for me, chemo decided my reproductive fate five years ago.

If this were a male issue we would not be having this discussion, that is that is so sad...
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Good enough for me.....just don't deny the science.
 
Darla said:
STFU Bravo. You have no idea what you're talking about.

https://www.google.com/search?q=6 in 10 american women having abortions already mothers&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&source=hp&channel=np

The 6 in 10 number is widely known but never mentioned on your bug sites I'm sure.
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Widely know and widely a lie......
You're just trying to pull the old, "If you don't believe me, just ask me" bullshit.....its like asking Media Matters to give us the whole truth about Mitt Romney....


Guttmacher and Planned Parenthood are not without an agenda, the same agenda'

AGI, is the research arm of Planned Parenthood, the world's largest abortion provider. While their data is helpful, they are a much less neutral source.


"The Guttmacher Institute bears the same relation to abortion as the Tobacco Institute did to the tobacco industry – legally independent, but functionally related"

Planned Parenthood’s own reports describe AGI as a "special affiliate" of Planned Parenthood. The abortion business’s 2005 Form 990 identifies a grant of $704,631 to AGI, and describes its purpose as "to support core activities of Guttmacher Institute and public policy activities conducted on behalf of PPFA."

"One of those public policies is to downplay the significance of abortion for the physical and mental health of women, as PPFA (and Guttmacher) oppose all health regulation of abortion practice in the United States and overseas,
 
bravo said:
Widely know and widely a lie......
You're just trying to pull the old, "If you don't believe me, just ask me" bullshit.....its like asking Media Matters to give us the whole truth about Mitt Romney....


Guttmacher and Planned Parenthood are not without an agenda, the same agenda'

AGI, is the research arm of Planned Parenthood, the world's largest abortion provider. While their data is helpful, they are a much less neutral source.


"The Guttmacher Institute bears the same relation to abortion as the Tobacco Institute did to the tobacco industry – legally independent, but functionally related"

Planned Parenthood’s own reports describe AGI as a "special affiliate" of Planned Parenthood. The abortion business’s 2005 Form 990 identifies a grant of $704,631 to AGI, and describes its purpose as "to support core activities of Guttmacher Institute and public policy activities conducted on behalf of PPFA."

"One of those public policies is to downplay the significance of abortion for the physical and mental health of women, as PPFA (and Guttmacher) oppose all health regulation of abortion practice in the United States and overseas,
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Yeah Okay bravo.
 
Darla said:
So women don't have common sense? They need abortion mansplained to them?
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Is jumping to gender/race conclusions a by product of being 'liberal'?, which you aren't, but it seems that you and poet do that alot. I was simply referring to some sort of reasonableness on the right of women to have an abortion. wouldn't a more common sense solution be to provide counseling to determine whether the woman really wants or needs an abortion before being granted permission to have one?
 
SmarterthanYou said:
Is jumping to gender/race conclusions a by product of being 'liberal'?, which you aren't, but it seems that you and poet do that alot. I was simply referring to some sort of reasonableness on the right of women to have an abortion. wouldn't a more common sense solution be to provide counseling to determine whether the woman really wants or needs an abortion before being granted permission to have one?
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Before being granted permission to have one??? WTF??

How about, NO.
 
Rana said:
You have never seen me do a song and dance. I am just for the right of the woman to have a choice. It is no one's business beside the woman, her doctor and her God, if she has one. If she decides to include the male, that is her choice, also. The rest of the world just needs to keep off her body and out other head.

There won't be any abortions for me, chemo decided my reproductive fate five years ago.

If this were a male issue we would not be having this discussion, that is that is so sad...
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To me, it wouldn't matter if it were a male issue, it would still bother me that what is happening, is willfully terminating human life. That's the moral issue here, and it supersedes any individual right, implied or otherwise. You can argue that a woman has the right to choose, concerning issues of her own body and life, that's fine... I agree with that! Where I don't agree, is that she has the right to end another human's life. Let's take your argument to the opposite extreme, and say a woman gets pregnant and DOESN'T want an abortion, but the father does? Does he have the right to slip her an abortion pill? That's his "seed" growing in there, and maybe he chooses not to have a child at this time? He should at least be able to file some kind of statement that he won't be responsible for the child, since he doesn't want it... right? I mean, that should be his choice, shouldn't it? The woman gets to choose, but not the man? Is that how it goes?

We don't have examples of rights which infringe on the rights of others to live. Every example of a right you will find, is limited to the extent it can't infringe on another person's fundamental rights, especially the most sacred, the right to life. The unborn fetus is a human being in it's earliest stage of development, it is not an arbitrary clump of cells or tumor, or exclusively belonging to the woman who's womb it resides in. To kill it before it reaches the next stage of development, is simply extermination. Is it okay to exterminate unwanted humans? This is a moral question that needs to be addressed here, because it is at the core of this argument. I happen to believe, such a thing should be RARE and somewhat undesirable, if there is any other possible alternative. Other people may not have any problem at all with this, and that's fine.... as long as we are all willing to come to terms with what we are actually doing, and the seriousness of the matter. This isn't a woman's right to choose, it is a moral question for civilized people to address, and we continue to argue like little children about it, because we are too proud and stubborn to compromise with each other. Meanwhile, another million lives are extinguished each year, through no fault of their own.
 
"Let's take your argument to the opposite extreme, and say a woman gets pregnant and DOESN'T want an abortion, but the father does? Does he have the right to slip her an abortion pill? That's his "seed" growing in there, and maybe he chooses not to have a child at this time? He should at least be able to file some kind of statement that he won't be responsible for the child, since he doesn't want it... right? I mean, that should be his choice, shouldn't it? The woman gets to choose, but not the man? Is that how it goes? "

Yes.

This has been another addition of easy answers to stupid questions.
 
Darla said:
Before being granted permission to have one??? WTF??

How about, NO.
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well, wait a minute. earlier in this thread you said you were for common sense gun laws, even though it's a right also, but you absolutely believe that one needs to apply to the gov for permission to exercise THAT right? so what's the difference between the two?
 
All compromise on abortion necessary was done in Roe v Wade. No more mansplaining anything by men to women on anything having to do with abortions or any other women's health or rights issues. Women do very well in these regards and especially so when they have the support of men like me. I will always use what little power I have to expand the rights and freedom of women.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
well, wait a minute. earlier in this thread you said you were for common sense gun laws, even though it's a right also, but you absolutely believe that one needs to apply to the gov for permission to exercise THAT right? so what's the difference between the two?
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This new narrative of conflating abortion rights with gun rights is really sick. It's a new low for you guys.

The difference is obvious. I've already explained it, I'm not going to answer your questions five times each. Further, one thing completely has nothing to do with the other. You are desperate for strawmen because they only thing you give one shit about is white dudes being able to shoot people at will.

That's your thing. LIke I told you, keep it in Texass. No one here cares.
 
Darla said:
Yeah Okay bravo.
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Well Darla, I'm just saying, in a ham-handed way, that I don't trust data from organizations that have an agenda and the CDC don't collect data on that particular
issue.....I certainly can't prove you are wrong and I'm am right....I should have said that in an earlier post....its just that I don't put a lot
faith in data from sources like you used.....I concede, you could be right for all I know.....
 
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