The War in Ukraine

Hawkeye10 said:
As someone recently pointed out with Trump there is no strategy....often there is almost no thinking.....he is instinctively surfing the waves as they come....sure of his greatness.

Butler made it worse.
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One question, are you referring to Smedley Butler or some other Butler?
 
Scott said:
I think what the U.S. and the rest of the West has done -has- hurt Russia, but hurt in the way a bear is hurt when you poke it sufficiently with a sharp stick- certainly enough to make it angry, but nowhere near a lethal blow. Which is a good thing, considering the dead hand:

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Trump's efforts to reach some type of deal with Russia, while frequently clumsy, at least appear to be genuine. I think that Trump and his Administration are getting a much better idea of what it will take for a peace deal to finally be reached with Russia at this point.
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Russia is much stronger internally and internationally than they were three years ago.

You are flat out wrong.
 
The Wall Street Mafia has made the same mistake in Iran that they made with Russia....they want to break these nations up so they attack thinking that will help.....when anyone who knows anything about history knows that the opposite almost always happen.....when people are attacked by an outside force they draw together.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Russia is much stronger internally and internationally than they were three years ago.

You are flat out wrong.
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Much stronger militarily, certainly. Results of poking Russia with the stick, you get an angry bear, and when we're talking about Russia, that bear gets armed to the teeth. But I think we can agree that no one likes being poked with a stick. I think any rational person in Russia would long for peace, but not the kind where they are walked all over.
 
Scott said:
Much stronger militarily, certainly. Results of poking Russia with the stick, you get an angry bear, and when we're talking about Russia, that bear gets armed to the teeth. But I think we can agree that no one likes being poked with a stick. I think any rational person in Russia would long for peace, but not the kind where they are walked all over.
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Much stronger as a people, they have come together, they have produced, they have confidence in themselves and that they are better people than the collective West.

And they have made very strong friendship around the world, which makes them stronger as they battle the Evil Imperial Empire.

And yes they now how the best land army in the world....likely the best military over all as well.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
What do you not know about the attempted assassination of Trump?

This was a Wall Street Mafia operation....CIA/MOSSAD(AKA Murder INC)/MI6......next time they will not miss.
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Ahhh. I do ofcourse know of the assassination attempt on Trump, I just wasn't aware that it happened at the Butler Farm Show Grounds.
 
The US has the best NAVY in the world if the aircraft carriers are still of any use....which is far from clear.

But the Russians and the Chinese are now fused at the hip....the Imperial Empire braintrust did that....DragonBears NAVY is better than ours...and better than NATO.
 
America's subs are on par with the Russians, but we are having enormous trouble keeping them mission available.... because our shipyards are shit, the lack of crews and the poor training of the crews.

The Chinese are behind in subs, but the Russians are helping them....as they have with jet engines and building nukes.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
America's subs are on par with the Russians, but we are having enormous trouble keeping them mission available.... because our shipyards are shit, the lack of crews and the poor training of the crews.

The Chinese are behind in subs, but the Russians are helping them....as they have with jet engines and building nukes.
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I fully admit I'm not following the finer points of the military capabilities of the great powers. Lacking more information on the subject, I'll take your word for these things for the time being. My main focus is that only the U.S. and Russia can essentially destroy the world.
 
Scott said:
I fully admit I'm not following the finer points of the military capabilities of the great powers. Lacking more information on the subject, I'll take your word for these things for the time being. My main focus is that only the U.S. and Russia can essentially destroy the world.
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Many times over.....the Russians are trying to avoid it....the Americans are full speed ahead.

One is better than the other.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Many times over.....the Russians are trying to avoid it....the Americans are full speed ahead.

One is better than the other.
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On this point, I disagree- I do think that Trump is making -some- effort to avoid this fate, which I believe is why he even pulled out a literally pulled out a red carpet for Putin in Alaska.
 
Scott said:
On this point, I disagree- I do think that Trump is making -some- effort to avoid this fate, which I believe is why he even pulled out a literally pulled out a red carpet for Putin in Alaska.
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Except for pissing people off irrelevant....Trump is too weak to do anything even if he wanted to.....and all he is doing with Ukraine is trying to avoid blame for America losing yet another war......a problem that would have been avoided had he taken America out when he entered office as he said he was going to do.
 
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