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I Love America said:
The Founding Fathers abhorred a direct tax as they saw it as an assault on private property rights. You would think being an expert in the Federalist and Anti Federalist Papers, Desh would know that. ;)
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go get your direct quotes.


PROVE your claim with facts.

You guys LIE about everything so you cant be trusted
 
evince said:
heres the rub.

You side wants our country so weak they can drown it in the bathtub.
your side hates any money being taken from the wealthy
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This is, again, quite literally an imaginary argument. Your side spends without regard to wisdom. The reality, nobody on "my side" has ever suggested that nobody should pay taxes. That is what you like to pretend. Your form of argument on this subject is the same as the form of tea in a child's tea party with her dolls. You imagine it exists, so you "battle" it.
 
Damocles said:
This is, again, quite literally an imaginary argument. Your side spends without regard to wisdom. The reality, nobody on "my side" has ever suggested that nobody should pay taxes. That is what you like to pretend. Your form of argument on this subject is the same as the form of tea in a child's tea party with her dolls.
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Damo the republican party signs the pledges to the man who said he wants to kill our government.

He said it more than once and your team treat him like a hero
 
There is no smaller is better.

there is no large means bad.

There is right size.

The right in this country is not interested in right size
 
Dungheap said:
OK. Well make that point then. Don't make a dumbass point about the gool old days.
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He's made the point several ways. However, making a point that we collected taxes previous to an IRS is an argument that is not without merit in an argument where one is questioning the necessity of the IRS. He simply points to the fact that the IRS didn't always exist, but taxes always existed.
 
Damocles said:
He's made the point several times. Making a point that we collected taxes previous to an IRS is an argument that is not without merit in an argument where one is questioning the necessity of the IRS. He simply points to the fact that the IRS didn't always exist, but taxes always existed.
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His argument has about as much merit as my argument that the government could do just fine without computers since we didn't have them for many many years and the government managed just fine.

But thanks for trying to help.
 
evince said:
There is no smaller is better.

there is no large means bad.

There is right size.

The right in this country is not interested in right size
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There is, however, "Wasteful government is bad." and "More efficient is better"...

There is also a point where the government is getting into our lives at a level where freedom does become limited.

What there isn't, is "No form of government should be considered too intrusive."

When the Press is a target, when free speech is a target, when people who were in charge of making political views a target are now in charge of medical care through that same entity and given bonuses...

Yeah, there are valid reasons to curb that gross power grab.

The "left" needs to remember a bit that they will not always be in power, they should take some time to think about how much of this new power they think George W. Bush should have had his hands on...
 
evince said:
smaller?

right wing code for dismatled and made incompentant
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No, dipshit. I am not right-wing. I'm only saying that we don't need a complicated tax code and a group of intrusive bullies to enforce it. We could simplify the tax code so that we don't need a large IRS, or any IRS at all. Revenue could be forwarded directly to the Treasury.
 
Evince/Desh has the simplest, most childlike mind I have ever encountered in an adult... with possible expection to the mentally handicapped guy I worked with at my first job bagging groceries.
 
evince said:
go get your direct quotes.


PROVE your claim with facts.

You guys LIE about everything so you cant be trusted
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You have conveniently ignored the question as to what percentage of your income the government could take from you where you would say "FUCK THAT!"

you don't have a number? How much of your personal income do you think the government should be able to take for your contribution to society and feeding the poor and roads and teachers and cops? What is your "fair share"?
 
evince said:
go get your direct quotes.


PROVE your claim with facts.

You guys LIE about everything so you cant be trusted
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Oh, you want quotes? Quotes you say? Okey dokey pokey.


The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. - Thomas Jefferson


To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. - Thomas Jefferson

If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare… The powers of Congress would subvert the very foundation, the very nature of the limited government established by the people of America. - Alexander Hamilton

The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. - John Adams

As a man is said to have a right to his property, he may be equally said to have a property in his rights. Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions. - James Madison

If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one, subject to particular exceptions. - James Madison

It is sufficiently obvious, that persons and property are the two great subjects on which Governments are to act; and that the rights of persons, and the rights of property, are the objects, for the protection of which Government was instituted. These rights cannot well be separated. - James Madison

Lastly, I would refer you to

Article 1 Section 9 states, "No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken."

Now admittedly, the 16th Amendment made this a moot point, but we weren't discussing the 16th Amendment, we were discussing what the Founders thoughts on taxation were. Enjoy.
 
I Love America said:
You have conveniently ignored the question as to what percentage of your income the government could take from you where you would say "FUCK THAT!"

you don't have a number? How much of your personal income do you think the government should be able to take for your contribution to society and feeding the poor and roads and teachers and cops? What is your "fair share"?
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20 percent
 
Damocles said:
There is, however, "Wasteful government is bad." and "More efficient is better"...

There is also a point where the government is getting into our lives at a level where freedom does become limited.

What there isn't, is "No form of government should be considered too intrusive."

When the Press is a target, when free speech is a target, when people who were in charge of making political views a target are now in charge of medical care through that same entity and given bonuses...

Yeah, there are valid reasons to curb that gross power grab.

The "left" needs to remember a bit that they will not always be in power, they should take some time to think about how much of this new power they think George W. Bush should have had his hands on...
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LOL.
 
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