2012 was the warmest year ever for the U.S.

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I have no interest in arguing the science or getting you to see what you won't.

As I've said, anyone who has a spiritual connection to Nature would choose to err on the side of caution. But you want to protect Nature from people who choose caution and prevention?

There would simply be no point to us discussing this. No offense intended.

Unfortunately there is far too much emotional waffle talked about the environment. This results in the "something must be done" brigade pouring vast amounts of money tilting at windmills when the smart money should be directed at thorium and 4th gen uranium reactors, nuclear fusion, geothermal and tidal energy.

 

[Bonestorm]

this is what I stated:

That is exactly what the NOAA report was about. The lower 48 states. Again... it is absurd to proclaim the global warming is back on by a report of one nation.

Now... run along and be an idiot elsewhere.

Uh, I was talking about this one:

yeah, I know... the one that lists the US has the 'contiguous 48' states, when referencing temps. Bad enough they try to make a story about 'global warming' by cherry picking one country, but to cherry pick parts of a country? Quite sad.

Would love to see their data on all the 'extreme storms', because that claim has been debunked many times in the past, so they clearly have new data to present. I can't wait.

 

[blackascoal]

LMAO... that is because the science is not in agreement with you. That is what you choose not to see.



As I said... anyone who proclaims to have a spiritual connection to nature would call out those that propagate lies that will in the end hurt the cause of protecting the environment.



I understand. You are beholden to ideology over fact. No worries... many get duped into such a line of thinking.

Sure .. Nature is an evil thing.

I have no problem with people hating liberals, socialists, enviromentalists, scientists, and everyone and everything they choose to hate on this issue.

But to claim it's in PROTECTION of Nature would be laughably ridiculous if it wasn't so tragic.

 

[blackascoal]

Unfortunately there is far too much emotional waffle talked about the environment. This results in the "something must be done" brigade pouring vast amounts of money tilting at windmills when the smart money should be directed at thorium and 4th gen uranium reactors, nuclear fusion, geothermal and tidal energy.

It's a spiritual thing.

Protecting the environment is much like humanitarianism .. and usually those who aren't conserned about the environment are usually also not humanitarians.

Either one has it or they don't. Argument is pointless.

 

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Sure .. Nature is an evil thing.

I have no problem with people hating liberals, socialists, enviromentalists, scientists, and everyone and everything they choose to hate on this issue.

But to claim it's in PROTECTION of Nature would be laughably ridiculous if it wasn't so tragic.

It is the above type of overly emotional response that gets so many mocked for their belief in the religion of AGW.

I do not hate any of the groups you mention. The SCIENCE is on my side, not yours. The true environmentalists will call out the frauds amongst them for the greater good. You choose to be duped by the frauds and then proclaim anyone who is not 'hates' blah blah blah.

The tragedy is that you don't see how these fear mongers are hurting environmental protections. How much money have we wasted on this nonsense?

If we were to do everything we could to move to clean energy and remove as much pollution as possible from air, land, water... would that not be the end game you desire? Or are you so bent on proving that somehow MAN has magically taken control of nature due to CO2 emissions that you are willing to focus so much time, money and energy defending such nonsense?

 

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It's a spiritual thing.

Protecting the environment is much like humanitarianism .. and usually those who aren't conserned about the environment are usually also not humanitarians.

Either one has it or they don't. Argument is pointless.

The above is pure nonsense. You say argument is pointless because you don't have anything of merit to back your position. That is why you move on to the 'its spiritual man' claptrap.

 

[Rune]

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Great article, so much of the debate just panders (pun unintended) to emotionalism.

Yeah, so much of that article appealed to emotion, I started thinking of Alex Jones and Little Green footballs.
Don't be such a sap.

 

[Rune]

Why? Because they say what you want to hear? and no... this is all about the pseudo science and the lies being spread to propagate a myth.



I have a very spiritual connection to nature. Which is why I stand up against those that would do harm to the cause by spreading one falsehood after another. Those falsehoods turn people off once they learn they were lied to and it makes it that much harder to convince the masses of the real problems we face.

The very fact that it is you that turned your eye and immediately spoke of the spirituality is very telling. The evidence does not back what the fear mongers would have you believe.



That is true, not everyone does. Some simply proclaim they do. I choose to live in Colorado because of its nature. Because I love to hike, ski, ride, raft, climb etc... there is nothing better than a hike up a fourteener, sitting on top and looking out at the world around you. I believe we should do everything in our power to limit air, land and water pollution. But this nonsense about CO2 is nothing but a distraction by fear mongers who wish to further their own cause and line their own pockets.



I would agree on the first part, I am agnostic and really don't care about God one way or the other.

Wait, this is funny. You belittle NOAA while saying "this is all about the pseudo science and the lies being spread to propagate a myth."

LMFAO.

 

[Rune]

this is what I stated:



That is exactly what the NOAA report was about. The lower 48 states. Again... it is absurd to proclaim the global warming is back on by a report of one nation.

Now... run along and be an idiot elsewhere.

Wait, they left out Puerto Rico and American Samoa. Simplefreak might be right....nah. Stop being a hack, Superhack.

 

[Rune]

The above is pure nonsense. You say argument is pointless because you don't have anything of merit to back your position. That is why you move on to the 'its spiritual man' claptrap.

The above argument is pure nonsense. You say his argument is pointless, as you have no other valid point. That is why you move on to your usual sophistry.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Wait, this is funny. You belittle NOAA while saying "this is all about the pseudo science and the lies being spread to propagate a myth."

LMFAO.

What's funny is, you belittle and ridicule people who believe the Earth is 9,000 years old, but pretend that "all of history" means the past 140 years of climactic record keeping. Paleontologists have plenty of evidence to suggest the Earth was a much warmer place than it is today. Although there weren't any greedy capitalists polluting the atmosphere or self-righteous liberals trying to save us from ourselves.

 

[Rune]

What's funny is, you belittle and ridicule people who believe the Earth is 9,000 years old, but pretend that "all of history" means the past 140 years of climactic record keeping. Paleontologists have plenty of evidence to suggest the Earth was a much warmer place than it is today. Although there weren't any greedy capitalists polluting the atmosphere or self-righteous liberals trying to save us from ourselves.

If you are too stupid to understand that the history of the US is limited to a few hundred years, I can't help you.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

If you are too stupid to understand that the history of the US is limited to a few hundred years, I can't help you.

Understood, but when you say "warmest in history" you need to qualify that statement. "Warmest in the continental US since they've kept records" is a completely different statement than "warmest in history." I'm not as concerned with what I am too stupid to understand, but rather, what other morons are too stupid to understand, and we need to clarify things like this.

Now, because you may have evidence to suggest that we've recently seen the warmest recorded temps in the continental US since they've been keeping records, this does not prove that man is causing global warming. Just as when ANY record is set, and this happens all the time, it doesn't mean that man caused it to happen. One thing is, we've only recently reached a level of technology and accuracy with regard to measuring, to actually record accurate data. In 1776, there wasn't a NOAA weather station in Colorado, recording the highs and lows. So this whole "warmest in history" argument becomes even more moot. There is simply a lot of information missing, that was never recorded, and we can't make assumptions based on no information. To draw obscure conclusions based on such little actual data, is foolish at best.

It is a FACT, the planet has endured much warmer climates and much colder climates through history. Since this has never resulted in some irreversible cataclysm, it's safe to say that isn't going to happen now. The old Earth will always find a resilient way to overcome, because it always has. Man has dumped millions of tons of toxins and pollutants into the air and water, and as bad and harmful as this is, it pales in comparison to what mother nature herself has contributed, but still, the old Earth continues on. In time, it filters and cleans up the mess, and returns to relative stability in short order. This doesn't mean we shouldn't be good stewards of the planet, or that we shouldn't be conscious of what we are doing with regard to pollution, but the extremist alarmist "sky is falling" paranoia is totally unwarranted.

 

[Anti-Party]

Understood, but when you say "warmest in history" you need to qualify that statement. "Warmest in the continental US since they've kept records" is a completely different statement than "warmest in history." I'm not as concerned with what I am too stupid to understand, but rather, what other morons are too stupid to understand, and we need to clarify things like this.

Now, because you may have evidence to suggest that we've recently seen the warmest recorded temps in the continental US since they've been keeping records, this does not prove that man is causing global warming. Just as when ANY record is set, and this happens all the time, it doesn't mean that man caused it to happen. One thing is, we've only recently reached a level of technology and accuracy with regard to measuring, to actually record accurate data. In 1776, there wasn't a NOAA weather station in Colorado, recording the highs and lows. So this whole "warmest in history" argument becomes even more moot. There is simply a lot of information missing, that was never recorded, and we can't make assumptions based on no information. To draw obscure conclusions based on such little actual data, is foolish at best.

It is a FACT, the planet has endured much warmer climates and much colder climates through history. Since this has never resulted in some irreversible cataclysm, it's safe to say that isn't going to happen now. The old Earth will always find a resilient way to overcome, because it always has. Man has dumped millions of tons of toxins and pollutants into the air and water, and as bad and harmful as this is, it pales in comparison to what mother nature herself has contributed, but still, the old Earth continues on. In time, it filters and cleans up the mess, and returns to relative stability in short order. This doesn't mean we shouldn't be good stewards of the planet, or that we shouldn't be conscious of what we are doing with regard to pollution, but the extremist alarmist "sky is falling" paranoia is totally unwarranted.

I stopped reading after the first moronic compensating sentence.....

Most scientists say there is a 90% chance global warming is real. So yea, place your bet on the 10% because it may save you some money. You define the Right Wing corporate parrot.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

I stopped reading after the first moronic compensating sentence.....

Most scientists say there is a 90% chance global warming is real. So yea, place your bet on the 10% because it may save you some money. You define the Right Wing corporate parrot.

No one has denied that global warming is real. I certainly didn't deny it. Global warming and global cooling are both real, and have been happening for many years, and will continue to happen. We appear to currently be in a warming period, but 40 years ago, the very same morons who are now screaming alarmist bullshit about man-made global warming, were warning us of the impending ice age which was surely just around the corner.

When you make moronic statements like "most scientists say there is a 90% chance global warming is real" it illustrates just how out of touch with reality you've become, in deluding yourself with propaganda. What you meant to say is, a majority of climatologists believe the planet is getting warmer, and there is a 90% probability man is contributing to this. But climatologists are not the only scientists, and much of the "evidence" they based these opinions on, has been debunked or discredited as fraudulent or manipulated. Botanists are scientists who study plant life, and most of them say until the last few hundred years, plant life on Earth has been starving for CO2. Paleontologists are scientists who study prehistoric evidence, and they mostly conclude the planet was much warmer with an atmosphere much richer in CO2, millions of years ago. Geologists and scientists who study volcanoes, have mounds of evidence that our planet has endured enormous climatic shifts due to volcanic eruptions, and these shifts are much greater than anything currently happening with the climate.

Perhaps your biggest problem is what you began by admitting? You stop reading! Whenever it's something you don't want to hear, or which may contradict your memes and world view, you tune it out and refuse to listen. What this results in, is you becoming a closed-minded bigot, who no one can have a reasonable conversation with.

 

[blackascoal]

What's funny is, you belittle and ridicule people who believe the Earth is 9,000 years old, but pretend that "all of history" means the past 140 years of climactic record keeping. Paleontologists have plenty of evidence to suggest the Earth was a much warmer place than it is today. Although there weren't any greedy capitalists polluting the atmosphere or self-righteous liberals trying to save us from ourselves.

Anyone who believes the earth is only 9,000 years old SHOULD be belittled and ridiculed.