21 Secularist Indulgences that will help Destroy America:

leaningright said:
I would like to address this part without completely jumping into the fray of the other 20 somewhat wierd points. I had a conversation with a lady at church the other day about this. First, let me throw the "white" out of the sentence...I know that was part of the original sentiment but it has no bearing on what I want to say.



Let me preface this by saying that I use the term "christian" in the looser sense of it's definition. While it may seem ridiculous, and may well be ridiculous, let me try to expound on why some folks (like Granule and many folks I counsel with) feel the way they do. While I can't speak for Granule, there is this overwhelming feeling among many conservative christians that the life and country they grew up in is changing....and it is. Folks can argue whether the change is for the better or not but the fact is that the (religious) demographics of this country are changing with the number of christians shrinking every year. That scares a lot of christian people. When they realize that in x-number of years they won't be the majority it is really sobering to them. Then take a candidate like Santorum. When all you hear on the news is that a candidate Santorum cannot win in the battle ground states because he is too socially conservative (not that he has allowed that to influence his voting on several issues), that further worries many christian people about the direction of the country. From what I can see between him and Mr. Romney, there is not much difference between them on fiscal issues. Both of them have been persuaded to be more liberal than I think either would like in some areas of their governance. Romney on healthcare and Santorum on earmarks and bailouts. But I digress. My point is that I can see why some christians are feeling the pressure. Their world is changing and it scares them. The "educated elite" have mostly always looked down on them but christians usually had them significantly outnumbered. Ain't going to be that way in the future should the trends continue. Like I say, one can argue that this is all for the better but I most definitely can understand the way they feel whether I think it is right or wrong.

Now I need to further say something on the Santorum/conservative/republican unpopularity. Them getting involved in the birth control aspect of things is stupid, and it is killing any small chance they might have had. Why in the world would they want to do that? To appease the Catholics? That's all I can see, but it was a bone-headed move on their part and they should have stayed away from it like they would have stayed away from a land mine. But even before all that mess, the news media was saying what I said about Santorum above.
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You are far too reasonable ;)

So, what do you tell them when you counsel them?

How does one deal with a world that is rejecting the literal meaning of the Bible?
 
Granule said:
The heading is Secularist Indulgences. This is about Secularists. You tried to make it about Christians. Try again, or concede the point.
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I addressed the "(Anyone but Christian/Conservatives)" Why are you afraid to address all the issues?
 
Rana said:
You are far too reasonable ;)

So, what do you tell them when you counsel them?

How does one deal with a world that is rejecting the literal meaning of the Bible?
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I simply tell them that God never promised you that we'd be in the majority, in fact the opposite is true. The Christian is challenged with being a christian no matter the demographics. Of course I discuss much more with them but that is the gist of it.
 
Granule said:
You commented on #1, and failed to convince. If you're ready to concede the point, then we can move on to #2.
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I conced nothing. I have just challenged you on numerous points and you want to stay with one point, claiming I didn't convince you.
 
leaningright said:
I would like to address this part without completely jumping into the fray of the other 20 somewhat wierd points. I had a conversation with a lady at church the other day about this. First, let me throw the "white" out of the sentence...I know that was part of the original sentiment but it has no bearing on what I want to say.



Let me preface this by saying that I use the term "christian" in the looser sense of it's definition. While it may seem ridiculous, and may well be ridiculous, let me try to expound on why some folks (like Granule and many folks I counsel with) feel the way they do. While I can't speak for Granule, there is this overwhelming feeling among many conservative christians that the life and country they grew up in is changing....and it is. Folks can argue whether the change is for the better or not but the fact is that the (religious) demographics of this country are changing with the number of christians shrinking every year. That scares a lot of christian people. When they realize that in x-number of years they won't be the majority it is really sobering to them. Then take a candidate like Santorum. When all you hear on the news is that a candidate Santorum cannot win in the battle ground states because he is too socially conservative (not that he has allowed that to influence his voting on several issues), that further worries many christian people about the direction of the country. From what I can see between him and Mr. Romney, there is not much difference between them on fiscal issues. Both of them have been persuaded to be more liberal than I think either would like in some areas of their governance. Romney on healthcare and Santorum on earmarks and bailouts. But I digress. My point is that I can see why some christians are feeling the pressure. Their world is changing and it scares them. The "educated elite" have mostly always looked down on them but christians usually had them significantly outnumbered. Ain't going to be that way in the future should the trends continue. Like I say, one can argue that this is all for the better but I most definitely can understand the way they feel whether I think it is right or wrong.

Now I need to further say something on the Santorum/conservative/republican unpopularity. Them getting involved in the birth control aspect of things is stupid, and it is killing any small chance they might have had. Why in the world would they want to do that? To appease the Catholics? That's all I can see, but it was a bone-headed move on their part and they should have stayed away from it like they would have stayed away from a land mine. But even before all that mess, the news media was saying what I said about Santorum above.
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Just curious about this sentence: "...there is this overwhelming feeling among many conservative christians that the life and country they grew up in is changing....and it is. Folks can argue whether the change is for the better or not but the fact is that the (religious) demographics of this country are changing with the number of christians shrinking every year. "

Do you think the people are mainly talking about Protestantism and/or fundamentalism?
 
I think they're talking about both. Some will specify the number of people who believe in the Bible.
 
Johnny Rocketfingers said:
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That's yours huh? I know it is. That was the issued 16 to all Marines.
 
Socrtease said:
Sorry, didn't mean to hijack the the OP. Just couldn't help taking a jab at the Marine.
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There was actually not much to hijack. Granule isn't wanting to discuss the lunacy or stupidity of his list.

He sure seems a lot like DY. :whoa:
 
Johnny Rocketfingers said:
We're the only ones the government trusts we nukes, because we're too dumb to work the button.
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I stood Nuke Weapons Security watch. Interesting duty after they told us there is no such thing as a hostage. They just have a meat shield we have to shoot through.
 
WinterBorn said:
I stood Nuke Weapons Security watch. Interesting duty after they told us there is no such thing as a hostage. They just have a meat shield we have to shoot through.
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We used to joke with new guys that the magazine at the tip of the dick (our ASP was literally shaped like a penis) was where we kept nukes. It was hilarious watching them get scared just walking up to the thing.
 
Johnny Rocketfingers said:
We used to joke with new guys that the magazine at the tip of the dick (our ASP was literally shaped like a penis) was where we kept nukes. It was hilarious watching them get scared just walking up to the thing.
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One of our crew screwed up a Spill Drill when we were in the shipyards. The shipyard security had to secure the boat so no one would leave during a drill. One of our guys cut open an activated chemlite and poured it down a bulkhead. Now everyone working back there knew the nuke stuff didn't glow. But the panic was hilarious. The shipyard workers were climbing each other up the ladder and banging on the hatch. The guard was at the top screaming like a little girl.
 
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