250 Mass Shootings In 260 Days

[StormX]

FBI: Chicago officially America's murder capital

Statistics released by the FBI earlier this week show that Chicago passed New York as America's murder capital in 2012 despite the Windy City only having a third of the Big Apple's population.

The FBI recorded 500 murders in Chicago in 2012, up from 431 in 2011. New York reported 419 murders in 2012, down from 515 the year before.

However, on a per-capita basis, the bureau reported that Flint, Michigan was more dangerous than the two larger cities. One in every 1,613 residents of Flint were murder victims last year, as the city of 101,558 reported 63 murders in 2012.

In all, 15 cities across American reported more than 100 murders in 2012. In addition to Chicago and New York, Detroit (386 murders), Philadelphia (331), Los Angeles (299), Baltimore (219), Houston (217), New Orleans (193), Dallas (154), Memphis (133), Oakland (126), Phoenix (124), St. Louis (113), Kansas City (105) and Indianapolis (101) all cracked the century mark in homicides.

According to the FBI's data, 69 percent of recorded homicides in American in 2012 involved the use of a gun.

In all, violent crime rose by 0.7 percent across America in 2012, the bureau reported. The data represents a slight increase in the crime rate after a decade of decline. On a regional basis, the biggest increase in violent crime came in the West (defined as Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, New Mexico and all points west), which saw a 3.2 percent increase. The Midwest saw the next biggest jump at 1.5 percent.

Violent crime did fall in the South (defined by the bureau as the states of the former Confederacy plus Delaware, Maryland, West Virginia, Kentucky and Oklahoma) by 0.3 percent, but the biggest drop came in the Northeast (New England plus New York, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey), at 1.2 percent.



Looks like ObamaLand is not the happiest place on Earth.

 

[Abatis]

"You know, if you define mass shootings as four or more people getting shot at one time, we've had nearly 250 so far this year. We've only had 260 days!" Jon Stewart proclaims . "Our mass shooting average is 96%! Our mass shooting scores shouldn't be that much higher than our math and science scores."

That's a common (and very necessary) tactic of the left, to create the belief that little Connor, Wyatt, Cody and Hunter playing soccer in the white suburbs are under the same risk as DeShawn, Demetrius, Jamal and Marquis are, innocently playing basketball in an inner-city playground that is disputed drug turf . . .

That your side purposely dismisses the distinction and calls out as racist anyone who raises it, (in 5-4-3-2-1), is why your tearful laments about "gun crime" fall on deaf ears amongst people who are capable of reason.

This was addressed after the Naval Yard shooting where the shooter had a record of 2 gun related crimes

The "2 gun related crimes" were never prosecuted thus could never be entered into the prohibited person database. The prosecution of gun crimes (sans any other crime) is a joke and should not be held up as any sort of deterrent for criminals. The laws are toothless and without prosecutors who are willing to resist the temptation of bargaining away gun crimes, the criminal use of guns will continue because the criminals don't fear getting caught.



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St. Louis Police Chief Dan Isom:

"One thing we have to be aware of to give context to this whole problem is that we are looking at an urban problem. It’s much less a suburban or rural problem. It really affects young minorities— Hispanic and black males. I think that the suspects devalue life, the victims devalue life, and the system also devalues life. When you look at the shooting victims and suspects in these neighborhoods, you see 20 or 30 felony arrests, with eight convictions. . . .

In Missouri, there’s a type of probation people can receive, and it has made it very difficult for us to establish a person as a convicted felon. I’ve heard other chiefs talking about the fact that a weapons charge in their state is only a misdemeanor offense. But in St. Louis, a weapons violation can turn out to be no offense at all. An individual will get arrested for a weapons charge, which is a felony, and often they plead to that case and get an SIS—a suspended imposition of sentence. It means that if you serve out your probation, which everybody does, that conviction is erased.

So if you’re arrested again with another weapon, you don’t have a conviction on your record, so you’re not a felon in possession of a weapon. If you continue to get multiple SISs, you never become a convicted felon. These offenders will often show up for other crimes, and if they never have a conviction, then you’re never able to put stiffer charges on them."


Police Executive Research Forum, Guns and Crime: Breaking New Ground By Focusing on the Local Impact, May, 2010 (2.3MB pdf)​

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Understand, these violent criminals never become a prohibited person as far as gun rights disability goes so these repeat armed criminals can walk into a gun store and pass the NICS background check.

Case in point:

Last night someone opened fire on a Park in Chicago with an AR-15 with a 100 Round Mag hitting 13 people.

What does it matter?


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"Mayor Richard M. Daley has long insisted that the [Chicago's] restrictive gun laws — including the handgun ban that was essentially nullified recently by the United States Supreme Court — have been a key crime-fighting tool.

But court records show that relatively few people were convicted of violating the laws, and even top city officials have questioned how useful they are in deterring crime.

Since 1982, when the city tightened its gun ordinances to include the handgun ban, there have been just 2,201 convictions under the laws, according to data obtained by the Chicago News Cooperative from the office of the Cook County Circuit Court clerk. That works out to an average of about 79 convictions a year. . . . The city ordinance carries a maximum sentence of three months in prison for first-time offenders, compared with three years for violation of commonly-used state gun-possession statutes and five years under federal laws."

New York Times, City’s Restrictive Gun Laws Are Rarely Enforced, Aug 10, 2010​

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So, without state or federal prosecution, Chicago just allows its armed criminals to go about their carnage without any threat of serious repercussions.

I'm not asking how do we solve gun violence. I'm asking how do we solve mass shooting violence.

Which mass shooting types are you talking about, Sandy Hook / DC Navy Yard or Chicago playground types?

Focusing on the former is like being horrified by the dangers of electricity and focusing only on lightning.

Including the latter brings in all sorts of other circumstances into the mix.

I want all deaths and injuries from criminal misuse of firearms reduced to the lowest levels possible. Gun control laws are not going to do that because they never impact the people who are doing the deed.

If I could offer a list of 'executive actions" that would reduce gun deaths and injuries it would be:

1) Decriminalize drugs and use the freed-up resources / funding / mantime / prison space to:
2) Enforce with vigor, criminal laws covering the violent misuse of firearms.
3) Don't use any weapons offenses as bargaining chips to be thrown out for guilty pleas for other charges.
4) Never allow the pleading down of felony gun charges to misdemeanors or permit weapons charges to be eligible for accelerated disposition with expungement.
5) Mandate full time sentenced to be served for any violent misuse of a firearm conviction.
6) Enhanced sentences for repeat offenders / felon in possession with reduced appeal opportunities, even for capital crimes.
8) Mandate states maintain the most up-to-date database of prohibited persons possible (including a red flag for mental issues - HIPPA be damned). and this be shared with the federal system and all other states.
7) Increase funding for parole/probation programs for both oversight of the boards responsible for release and enforcement of conditions of release and tighten controls on those under conditional release.
8) Increase funding for states / cities for FTA/fugitive recovery with a priority on violent offenders.
9) Enact a nationwide concealed weapon permit system for law-abiding citizens that no state or municipality can opt out of.
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If these steps were taken criminal firearm homicide would fall 60%+.

 

[Phantasmal]

Except gun violence is down and ownership is up, along with CCing and OCing. So.....no.
We have about 1% of our population in the military. So....again.....No.

"Ownership is up" is kind of misleading, there are more guns, but in fewer hands.

 

[Abatis]

"Ownership is up" is kind of misleading, there are more guns, but in fewer hands.

Ahhh, the 'household' magic wand . . .

The number of households with adult penises dwelling in them has declined.

"Only 63 percent of children lived in a household with two parents in 2010, down from 82 percent in 1970."

Does that mean there are fewer men in the population?

"Households" is a category that allows all sorts of shenanigans with data.

 

[/MSG/]

"Ownership is up" is kind of misleading, there are more guns, but in fewer hands.

No Rana, its in more hands. 105,000,000 is more than 68,000,000.

 

[The Dude]

We are not comparable
We murder exponentially more!

 

[Anti-Party]

The Constitution doesn't 'give' anyone rights. We're born with them because we're human beings. The Constitution simply says the government may not violate those rights.

In polls the majority of the people wanted certain changes. Are you stating that the Constitution can't change even if the majority of the people want it? Or did you even know the Constitution was built to change to adapt?

 

[Anti-Party]

You never see anti party talking about stopping gang violence and criticising gangsta culture.
NOPE! Blame the tea party! Blame whitey!

Actually I have a whole thread about black crime rates being higher than whites and how to stop them. Ironically it's the Right fighting those measures.

And where did I "Blame whitey" kid? Ignorant tool.

You are stating that blacks are the main reason for gun violence and its the stupidest statement you could possibly make.

 

[Anti-Party]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/...ult-weapons-ban-gun-magazine-capacity-limits#

• Would you support or oppose a law requiring a nationwide ban on the sale of assault weapons? 56 percent supported, 42 percent opposed.

• Would you support or oppose a law requiring a nationwide ban on high-capacity ammunition clips, meaning those containing more than 10 bullets? 56 percent support, 41 percent oppose.

• Would you support or oppose a law requiring background checks on people buying guns at gun shows or online? 86 percent support, 13 percent oppose.

• Say someone legally sells a gun that later is used in a crime. Do you think the crime victim should or should not be able to sue the gun seller for damages? 24 percent say they should be able to sue, 72 percent say they should not.

• Do you or does anyone in your house own a gun, or not? 43 percent say yes, 55 percent say no.

Please continue reading more gun questions and poll analysis below the fold.
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• Do you think having a gun in the house makes it (a safer place to be) or (a more dangerous place to be)? 51 percent say safer, 29 percent say more dangerous.

• Have you ever given money to an organization involved in the gun control issue or not? 10 percent say they have, 90 percent say they have not.

• Thirty percent of those surveyed say they, relatives or close personal friends have been victims of a crime involving a gun.

 

[Anti-Party]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/...ult-weapons-ban-gun-magazine-capacity-limits#

• Would you support or oppose a law requiring a nationwide ban on the sale of assault weapons? 56 percent supported, 42 percent opposed.

• Would you support or oppose a law requiring a nationwide ban on high-capacity ammunition clips, meaning those containing more than 10 bullets? 56 percent support, 41 percent oppose.

• Would you support or oppose a law requiring background checks on people buying guns at gun shows or online? 86 percent support, 13 percent oppose.

• Say someone legally sells a gun that later is used in a crime. Do you think the crime victim should or should not be able to sue the gun seller for damages? 24 percent say they should be able to sue, 72 percent say they should not.

• Do you or does anyone in your house own a gun, or not? 43 percent say yes, 55 percent say no.

Please continue reading more gun questions and poll analysis below the fold.
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• Do you think having a gun in the house makes it (a safer place to be) or (a more dangerous place to be)? 51 percent say safer, 29 percent say more dangerous.

• Have you ever given money to an organization involved in the gun control issue or not? 10 percent say they have, 90 percent say they have not.

• Thirty percent of those surveyed say they, relatives or close personal friends have been victims of a crime involving a gun.

I used to be Pro-Military Weapons because I have a friend who uses them for sport. A few months later he started talking about WWIII. He started talking about a war where "Many........many....innocent people will die soon. And it's sad"

This tells me he is just another brainwashed idiot who is ready to shoot people if he doesn't get his way. Basically power drunk.

I'm not against them now, but I'm much more aware of the mindset of people who hold too much power.

"With great power comes great responsibility".........not the use of that power to force your position.