2nd Amendment validation

[Into the Night]

Correct. There are 250 million guns, but most gun owners owned multiple weapons. I own two myself.

Three at the moment for me. A target pistol, a concealable pistol, and my Glock, when I carry openly (although with my coat on it's effectively concealed). I'll probably get a rifle at some point, and possibly a shotgun. I don't have any long guns at the moment.

 

[Walt]

yeah, gun lovers pile them up. they have arsenals. Having 20 guns makes you safer than 15. It is not about guns, but safety for your family, only it does not work out that way.

I never understood that. I can understand having one gun of each type: for instance, a hunting rifle, and a handgun, or even a collection of interesting guns of one type: multiple interesting revolvers, but these guns nuts are buying more of a single gun than they have hands. That is some sort of obsessive compulsive disorder.

 

[Walt]

See the Constitution of the United States.

The Constitution says that the militias should not be disbanded in times of peace, and it says the national government has the power to "organize, arm, and discipline" the state militias. It also gives the national government the power to call up the state militias. In other words, the Constitution makes the state militias the same thing as the National Guard.

If you do not like the Constitution, change it.

 

[Walt]

Why?

Why do I not believe there are 250 million people in America carrying around guns? Are you actually so dim witted you would ask that question?

 

[Walt]

Yes, because to leftist morons, fighting for your freedom regardless of outcome is a "sad point in history", right?

The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising was not fighting for freedom, it was fighting for survival. They failed. That is very sad. Women and children were massacred, which again was very sad.

Your complete lack of historical understanding is just sad, too.

 

[Walt]

Correct. There are 250 million guns, but most gun owners owned multiple weapons. I own two myself.

I forget the exact statistic, but something like half the guns are owned by less than 5% of the people. There are people storing dozens of guns.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

A well regulated militia?

The Constitution gave the President the supreme role of being the Commander In Chief.

SO, my interpretation of "well-regulated" has to do with the idea that the president regulates the military through his Secretary Of Defense!
In reality, it is the Department of Defense that actually carries out the regulating the military .

The president is the commander-in-chief of the armed force and is responsible for the decisions made regarding the United States' national defense. The president coordinates with the secretary of defense and the National Security Council to decide security needs, as well as necessary plans of action. Those policies are then delegated by the office of the secretary of defense.

The secretary of defense oversees the military departments, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the unified commands. According to the Department of Defense's website, "The military departments train and equip the military forces. The Chairman plans and coordinates military deployments and operations. The unified commands conduct the military operations."

 

[Into the Night]

I never understood that. I can understand having one gun of each type: for instance, a hunting rifle, and a handgun, or even a collection of interesting guns of one type: multiple interesting revolvers, but these guns nuts are buying more of a single gun than they have hands. That is some sort of obsessive compulsive disorder.

Who are you to decide if someone has 'too many' guns?

You are not the king.

 

[Into the Night]

The Constitution says that the militias should not be disbanded in times of peace, and it says the national government has the power to "organize, arm, and discipline" the state militias. It also gives the national government the power to call up the state militias. In other words, the Constitution makes the state militias the same thing as the National Guard.

If you do not like the Constitution, change it.

Where? Please quote it.

 

[Into the Night]

Why do I not believe there are 250 million people in America carrying around guns? Are you actually so dim witted you would ask that question?

Evasion. Answer the question put to you.

 

[Into the Night]

I forget the exact statistic, but something like half the guns are owned by less than 5% of the people. There are people storing dozens of guns.

You are making up numbers again.

 

[Into the Night]

A well regulated militia?

The Constitution gave the President the supreme role of being the Commander In Chief.

SO, my interpretation of "well-regulated" has to do with the idea that the president regulates the military through his Secretary Of Defense!
In reality, it is the Department of Defense that actually carries out the regulating the military .

The president is the commander-in-chief of the armed force and is responsible for the decisions made regarding the United States' national defense. The president coordinates with the secretary of defense and the National Security Council to decide security needs, as well as necessary plans of action. Those policies are then delegated by the office of the secretary of defense.

The secretary of defense oversees the military departments, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the unified commands. According to the Department of Defense's website, "The military departments train and equip the military forces. The Chairman plans and coordinates military deployments and operations. The unified commands conduct the military operations."

Pivot fallacy. Denial of the Constitution of the United States.

 

[Walt]

Where? Please quote it.

Article I, Section 8 of the US Constitution says in part, "The Congress shall have Power... To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions ​
​To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;"

I still cannot find the part of the Constitution where it says that the militias must be disbanded in times of peace, or that they cannot be called up by the Federal Government. Now that I have given the quotes supporting my claims, maybe you can provide some quotes supporting your insane claims?

 

[Walt]

Evasion. Answer the question put to you.

There are only 260 million adults in the USA. It is insane to claim there are 250 million armed Americans.

 

[Into the Night]

Article I, Section 8 of the US Constitution says in part, "The Congress shall have Power... To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions ​
​To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;"

I still cannot find the part of the Constitution where it says that the militias must be disbanded in times of peace, or that they cannot be called up by the Federal Government. Now that I have given the quotes supporting my claims, maybe you can provide some quotes supporting your insane claims?

This is describing the national militia, not the State militias. You DO realize what 'in the service of the United States' means, right?

No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

NOTHING prevents a State from forming a State militia, that is NOT in service to the United States, should the need arise to be compatible with Article I, $10.3.

The governor shall have power to call out the militia to preserve the public peace, execute the laws of the state, suppress insurrection, or repel invasion.

ORGANIZATION — DISCIPLINE — OFFICERS — POWER TO CALL OUT. The legislature shall provide by law for organizing and disciplining the militia in such manner as it may deem expedient, not incompatible with the Constitution and laws of the United States. Officers of the militia shall be elected or appointed in such manner as the legislature shall from time to time direct and shall be commissioned by the governor. The governor shall have power to call forth the militia to execute the laws of the state to suppress insurrections and repel invasions.

State militias are commanded by the governor of that State.

It is the inherent right of a government to defend itself. It does this by forming militias (armies). A militia is an organized body of armed men.
It is the inherent right of an individual to defend himself, and to own and bear any Arms (weapon) to do so. Yes...that INCLUDES defense against a tyrannical rogue government.