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You think trump would turn to a nuclear weapon over a stock market crash?
Where did I say that? We've been in endless War Street wars for almost 25 years. Compare Halliburton stock price before and after the Iraq war.
 
You may be right that -eventually-, Russia will considering taking Odessa to be crucial. I just don't think that it's gotten to that point yet.
If you accept the fact that the US is an empire, you'll know Ukraine is a US colony with Zelensky being a US puppet like the Shah of Iran who allowed western corporations to rob them blind.

Zelensky himself preferred referring to Ukraine as a "U.S. henchman", back when he was a comedian:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6-PU9CpHRs&ab_channel=TimJeanes


I think it goes without saying that Zelensky is much more foolhardy than your regular henchman- he actually argued with Trump in the White House, something I don't think -any- other head of state has done, and for good reason- it leads to bad results. I can also imagine it's why Putin doesn't want to meet with him right now, as Zelensky hasn't even promised to sign a peace deal that Russia would accept at this point.

My question is if the Ukrainian people will rise up like Iranians and throw the US out.

Reminds me of a line from V for Vendetta, where the people actually did rise up. One character asks "what do you think will happen?" and I believe the detective responds: "What usually happens when people without guns stand up to people with guns." I do believe that barring a nuclear war, the elements in Ukraine favouring a continued war with Russia will be ousted. How, I don't know, but it may come to the Russians literally gunning them down. People with guns are generally better equipped to deal with other people with guns.
 
I love Karen Kwiatkowski but she told judge Nap Ukraine was done. The exact opposite of what we know about imperialism. I don't know what to believe.
As an independent country, quite possibly. Without financial and weapons support from its western donors, I doubt Ukraine would be able to continue its war effort beyond a month or 2.
 
What should happen is that the Russians pick the government of the Rump of Ukraine, but I doubt that will be the case, thus ROU will be the launch pad for terrorism against Russia for as far as the eyes can see. I have been told that the Imperial Empire has been training ISIS-K up for the mission in Libya and Serbia.
Russia has actually suggested the U.N. be in charge to put in an interim government, I'm assuming after Russia manages to remove the current one- I suspect that might be the best option, but ofcourse it'll be easier to see what would be best the closer we get to the removal of the current power brokers in Ukraine.
 
Unlike goat, I don't see any evidence that Russia -needs- to have Odessa at this point. That being said, the longer this war goes on, the more they may come to believe that they do.
And how would they do this? They consider Kherson to be the capital of one of their provinces, a part of Russian territory, and cannot capture it. They would need to capture Kherson on the way to Odesa.

I believe that given enough time, Russia could take all of Ukraine if it felt it had to in order to end this war. You seem to think that Russia can't cross the Dnieper. I believe I've already quoted an article to you showing evidence that they are planning on doing just that, though when is another matter. Quoting from an article written by Simplicius:
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To come back around to the front, a last more speculative development. I’ve reported for a while about claimed Russian buildups on the Dnieper in the Kherson region. Rumors had claimed since last year that Russia would attempt some kind of cross-border raid, particularly now that Russia has successfully established the bridgehead over the Oskil river in the Kharkov region. Granted, the Oskil is no Dnieper—measuring a mere 130-250ft across in sections. The Dnieper in the more hotly-contested zones is upwards of 2,000ft+ wide.

Even so, new rumors like the following persist:

I have received information about Russian accumulation in the red area (Kinburn Spit). Their objective is a serious landing operation somewhere in the Odessa Oblast' and the Ochakiv district. This is in accord with numerous reports of renewed Russian attacks on Tyahynka, Buhaz Island, and Kizomys. According to my contacts, the Ukrainians are currently closing some of the beaches in the area. I am not aware of any further information, but I'll wait and keep an eye on this. For now, don't panic around and spread doom posts, this is just my and my contacts' information.

Normally I would shy away from reposting such more speculative offerings, but if it weren’t for the fact that several independent accounts disseminated similar tips. For instance from top Russian military account RVvoenkor, which quotes a Ukrainian colonel:


🇷🇺⚔️🇺🇦The Russian army seeks to land on the islands of Bugaz and Kozulyisky opposite Kherson to force the Dnieper, - Armed Forces of Ukraine

▪️ Russian troops are trying to create a bridgehead near Kherson, Russians are trying to land on the islands, said the spokesman for the Southern Defense Forces, Colonel Voloshin.

▪️In the Kherson region, the Russian Armed Forces have become active in the south of the Dnieper Islands and are trying to seize a bridgehead near the village of Kizomis.

RVvoenkor

dnieper1.jpg
A wider shot of the indicated area, with Kherson at the center of the map:

dnieper2.jpg

If I had to make an educated guess about the play, I would say Russia is likely pressuring this area to fix Ukrainian units, keep them under constant threat, but no real immediate operation is planned. Russian Marines have been practicing river crossing here since last year and there is most likely a potential planned operation much deeper in the future.

Russian command would logically wait for such time when Ukrainian reserves have thinned, and the Russian ‘death by a thousand cuts’ strategy has begun overwhelming Ukrainian lines all across the front, forcing Ukraine into a desperate defensive strategy of ‘plugging gaps’ like never before. It is only then, with Kherson’s defenses thinned out, that Russia could attempt a mass storming across many different points of the Dnieper—which is the only way such an operation could feasibly work. Both the lower and upper Dnieper would likely be crossed in the same fashion as the Oskil has been in the north.

As a reference, here’s a timelapse of the growing Russian ‘bridgehead’ across the Oskil north of Kupyansk from about January 2025 to present. Note in particular how it starts with one bridgehead near Dvorichna, then expands to other independent ones further north, until even a third and fourth form at the very top of the map near the Russian border:


[video in original]

Some reports indicate the lower Dnieper is fairly shallow ever since the Khakovka dam destruction, while the further north you go the deeper it gets. It’s possible that if—and that’s a big if—the AFU is ever ground down to the point of truly thinned out lines, Russia could attempt crossings along several major points in conjunction with special operations and VDV air assault landings in key areas to scramble the rears of theater echelons of the AFU. Ultimately though, performing a cross river operation is the easy part—it’s supplying such a bridgehead long term that’s usually untenable; Ukraine learned that the hard way in Khrynki last year.
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Full article:
 
You lack the ability to skip to your part of the conversation?

Sorry to hear that.
I don't have time to scroll through your bullshit. Russia has a security agreement with Iran and North Korea. Imperialism has to use nukes or fade away.

I agree in part, although I think using nukes could lead to human civilization -in general- to fading away, with perhaps some remnants left. I just finished watching the second season of Silo, wherein the only remaining life we see lives in silos- apparently, it started with a war with Iran, what happened after isn't so clear yet.
 
I believe that given enough time, Russia could take all of Ukraine if it felt it had to in order to end this war. You seem to think that Russia can't cross the Dnieper. I believe I've already quoted an article to you showing evidence that they are planning on doing just that, though when is another matter. Quoting from an article written by Simplicius:
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To come back around to the front, a last more speculative development. I’ve reported for a while about claimed Russian buildups on the Dnieper in the Kherson region. Rumors had claimed since last year that Russia would attempt some kind of cross-border raid, particularly now that Russia has successfully established the bridgehead over the Oskil river in the Kharkov region. Granted, the Oskil is no Dnieper—measuring a mere 130-250ft across in sections. The Dnieper in the more hotly-contested zones is upwards of 2,000ft+ wide.

Even so, new rumors like the following persist:

I have received information about Russian accumulation in the red area (Kinburn Spit). Their objective is a serious landing operation somewhere in the Odessa Oblast' and the Ochakiv district. This is in accord with numerous reports of renewed Russian attacks on Tyahynka, Buhaz Island, and Kizomys. According to my contacts, the Ukrainians are currently closing some of the beaches in the area. I am not aware of any further information, but I'll wait and keep an eye on this. For now, don't panic around and spread doom posts, this is just my and my contacts' information.

Normally I would shy away from reposting such more speculative offerings, but if it weren’t for the fact that several independent accounts disseminated similar tips. For instance from top Russian military account RVvoenkor, which quotes a Ukrainian colonel:




View attachment 50530
A wider shot of the indicated area, with Kherson at the center of the map:

View attachment 50531

If I had to make an educated guess about the play, I would say Russia is likely pressuring this area to fix Ukrainian units, keep them under constant threat, but no real immediate operation is planned. Russian Marines have been practicing river crossing here since last year and there is most likely a potential planned operation much deeper in the future.

Russian command would logically wait for such time when Ukrainian reserves have thinned, and the Russian ‘death by a thousand cuts’ strategy has begun overwhelming Ukrainian lines all across the front, forcing Ukraine into a desperate defensive strategy of ‘plugging gaps’ like never before. It is only then, with Kherson’s defenses thinned out, that Russia could attempt a mass storming across many different points of the Dnieper—which is the only way such an operation could feasibly work. Both the lower and upper Dnieper would likely be crossed in the same fashion as the Oskil has been in the north.

As a reference, here’s a timelapse of the growing Russian ‘bridgehead’ across the Oskil north of Kupyansk from about January 2025 to present. Note in particular how it starts with one bridgehead near Dvorichna, then expands to other independent ones further north, until even a third and fourth form at the very top of the map near the Russian border:


[video in original]

Some reports indicate the lower Dnieper is fairly shallow ever since the Khakovka dam destruction, while the further north you go the deeper it gets. It’s possible that if—and that’s a big if—the AFU is ever ground down to the point of truly thinned out lines, Russia could attempt crossings along several major points in conjunction with special operations and VDV air assault landings in key areas to scramble the rears of theater echelons of the AFU. Ultimately though, performing a cross river operation is the easy part—it’s supplying such a bridgehead long term that’s usually untenable; Ukraine learned that the hard way in Khrynki last year.
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Full article:
The Russians have a proverb: divide the skin of the bear before it is killed.
 
I think you're essentially agreeing with me that Russia is in no rush to finish this war. They have time. It's the Ukrainians who are running out of it.
My opinion is expressed in this article. You are either not paying attention or ignoring, putting forward your predictions. O.K. time will show how much they will come true.
 
Zelensky himself preferred referring to Ukraine as a "U.S. henchman", back when he was a comedian:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6-PU9CpHRs&ab_channel=TimJeanes


I think it goes without saying that Zelensky is much more foolhardy than your regular henchman- he actually argued with Trump in the White House, something I don't think -any- other head of state has done, and for good reason- it leads to bad results. I can also imagine it's why Putin doesn't want to meet with him right now, as Zelensky hasn't even promised to sign a peace deal that Russia would accept at this point.



Reminds me of a line from V for Vendetta, where the people actually did rise up. One character asks "what do you think will happen?" and I believe the detective responds: "What usually happens when people without guns stand up to people with guns." I do believe that barring a nuclear war, the elements in Ukraine favouring a continued war with Russia will be ousted. How, I don't know, but it may come to the Russians literally gunning them down. People with guns are generally better equipped to deal with other people with guns.
I'm not sure if the food rioters of 1931 had guns but they forced FDR to enact the New Deal. Why do you think we now have militarized police? Our oligarchs think they can stop an uprising with guns. Police may not be able to stop hungry people from forcing change.
 
I'm not sure if the food rioters of 1931 had guns but they forced FDR to enact the New Deal. Why do you think we now have militarized police? Our oligarchs think they can stop an uprising with guns. Police may not be able to stop hungry people from forcing change.

You may well be right. Here's to hoping the war in Ukraine finally ends with a peace deal that the powers that be in Ukraine and Russia can accept, recognizing that the powers that be can change.
 
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