Jeebus, Yurt - there is that equivalency thing again.
That's not what was being said, at all. What is the matter with you?
40 hour minimum wage job not enough for 2 bedroom apartment
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Jeebus, Yurt - there is that equivalency thing again.
That's not what was being said, at all. What is the matter with you?
SmarterthanYou
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I see 'promote', not 'provide'. That should mean that the opportunity is there to take, but nothing about being guaranteed anything.
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Billy the Great Khan
Uwaa OmO
So a fry cook should make as much money as tradesmen?
It's a pretty fuzzy area, imo. This isn't an agrarian, sparsely populated country anymore. Without certain services and assistance, which are generally ascribed to any characterization of "welfare state," things would likely get pretty bad in a hurry - and not just for those at the lower levels. Increased crime, homeless, poverty - these things affect everyone, and lower the state of the "general welfare."
SmarterthanYou
rebel
then why am I not guaranteed personal protection and security from the government?
Of course not. But a fry cook should make enough to at least survive with a roof over his head.
I don't think there are any real guarantees in society. But you should be able to expect such protection and security - and, for the most part, you get it. I know your view is someone different from that of most people on this one.
Billy the Great Khan
Uwaa OmO
Well that's about what a tradesmen makes. So you're naturally going to say 'well raise everyones wages' And of course to compensate, everyones prices will rise.
The fact remains, if you want a living wage, you need a SKILL. Unskilled labors gets unskilled wages.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
my view is based on the law of the land and judicial precedent, which clearly states that the government is not responsible nor liable for my protection and security. so again, how is 'promote the general welfare' interpreted as being provided any basic means whatsoever?
Exactly, there are no guarantees, like it states, the government can promotes these by Congress passing laws that help with the quality of its citizens lives, as I understand it.
Fine. And if the wages aren't enough to survive on, then tough shit - be homeless, go without basic needs, etc. That's your assertion, correct?
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
???.....where do people live when they aren't living at home?.....
No, but they provide money through the collection of taxes for a military and the states for police forces, which contribute to your safety. It isn't a guarantee though. You can't even guarantee your own safety, if someone has a bigger gun than yours
I doubt that. Normally people that work in those arenas use other options. Such as more than one person in the family working, roommates, supplemental food stamps, etc.
This is exactly Billy's philosophy as well as the Dude's, you are a loser, so just go die, only people like themselves deserve to live.
food stamps, but that is a government subsidy
Food stamps, isn't that a general welfare thingie of the government
It's actually a Farm Subsidy and therefore part of the Interstate Commerce powers of the government. General Welfare is one of the reasons that they were granted those powers...
It's like you deliberately misunderstand.