40 hour minimum wage job not enough for 2 bedroom apartment

A college education does not equate to an increased skillset. If there are a metric fuck ton of 'graphic artists' unemployed, it's because there was not a sufficient demand for that area of expertise.

And there are a metric fuck ton of unemployed IT specialists, administrative support specialists, engineers, architects, etc., because the 'demand' has evaporated along with the companies who went belly-up in this economy. So, what? Tough shit? They're "limiting themselves"?

Which is more likely to get me a job in Detroit (I already have a job but this is just hypothetical)? My associates in manufacturing technology engineering, or a associates in art?

Either one, providing there's a need for your talents, regardless of how you acquired them.
 
Many socio-economic factors - growing up in poverty; growing up in a dysfunctional environment where initiative, self-esteem-building activities, etc., were never cultivated; low IQ; to name a couple.

That doesn't limit potential. It makes things harder, sure. That's just the nature of things at the moment. It's not fair, and it sucks, but that's how it is. So while I have to work A LOT harder than, say, someone who was born wealthy, I CAN (note that this is a possibility and not an absolute) achieve just as much or more. That doesn't mean I will, and that MAY not be my fault. But all things added together, and at the very least (baring a slim variable chance otherwise) I'll make a decent living.
 
Many socio-economic factors - growing up in poverty; growing up in a dysfunctional environment where initiative, self-esteem-building activities, etc., were never cultivated; low IQ; to name a couple.
horse shit. I grew up in a podunk town of 3000 people, broken home, mother worked 2.5 jobs, and it never limited me.
 
And there are a metric fuck ton of unemployed IT specialists, administrative support specialists, engineers, architects, etc., because the 'demand' has evaporated along with the companies who went belly-up in this economy. So, what? Tough shit? They're "limiting themselves"?
i'm an employed IT specialist without a college degree or formal training. the jobs are out there if you can qualify for them.
 
it was for my stepson, not my wife, and it was to counter an ignorant position that the hospital was trying to give us.

If hard work and determination lead invariably to wealth, how come you can't just write a check?
 
That doesn't limit potential. It makes things harder, sure. That's just the nature of things at the moment. It's not fair, and it sucks, but that's how it is. So while I have to work A LOT harder than, say, someone who was born wealthy, I CAN (note that this is a possibility and not an absolute) achieve just as much or more. That doesn't mean I will, and that MAY not be my fault. But all things added together, and at the very least (baring a slim variable chance otherwise) I'll make a decent living.

All the factors I named may make it harder, but some most certainly do limit potential, namely a low IQ. Mediocre intelligence guarantees low wages. Limited potential, guaranteed.
A low IQ is more common than a high IQ.
 
All the factors I named may make it harder, but some most certainly do limit potential, namely a low IQ. Mediocre intelligence guarantees low wages. Limited potential, guaranteed.
A low IQ is more common than a high IQ.

Mental illness is another factor. I have several friends who are very intelligent but because they are mentally ill it is hard for them to gain employment.
 
Jeebus, Yurt - there is that equivalency thing again.

That's not what was being said, at all. What is the matter with you?

you're such a dumbass onceler. i asked the question to get a limit on what the person thinks the statement means.

i am constantly amazed at how you don't understand the concept of a question as a form of debate. then again, you are really, really dumb.
 
No, not just for the gas. $640 to cover gas - and everything else.



You may assume that the subway is a good option, which it is, if you don't have a car. In L.A., a car is a necessity.

How many years ago were you on minimum wage?

My example doesn't include a roommate; he's renting a room. One room.

Hence my list of "everything else" I did note that "everything else" doesn't include the utilities, you said those were included in the room, and when I was on minimum I lived in a room for $500, my half of the rent...
 
Hence my list of "everything else" I did note that "everything else" doesn't include the utilities, you said those were included in the room, and when I was on minimum I lived in a room for $500, my half of the rent...

Yeah, back in 1908 ;)
 
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