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Would it matter at that point? He doesn't have to name any crimes.... He can simply pardon the crap out of himself for anything he may have thought of or done...

We already know they are willing to get him to read lies about pardoning folks too. The folks running his teleprompter are willing to make him say myriad lies before he does the opposite, they don't care and Braindead won't remember.
That would be a dangerous precedent, especially considering that Joe Biden hasn't committed any crimes. On the other hand, the Republicans prove themselves over and over again to be corrupt, evil monsters who will break any precedent or invent new terrifying precedents whenever it suits them. Trump will certainly attempt to give himself a lifetime pardon, so perhaps Biden should just beat him to it. Doing the right, honorable, honest things do not work in the Democrats' favor.
 
That would be a dangerous precedent, especially considering that Joe Biden hasn't committed any crimes. On the other hand, the Republicans prove themselves over and over again to be corrupt, evil monsters who will break any precedent or invent new terrifying precedents whenever it suits them. Trump will certainly attempt to give himself a lifetime pardon, so perhaps Biden should just beat him to it. Doing the right, honorable, honest things do not work in the Democrats' favor.
Again it doesn't matter, he already has shown he is willing to lie and to set a dangerous precedent.
 
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Again it doesn't matter, he already has shown he is willing to lie and to set a dangerous precedent.
So has Fat Fuck Trump. Interesting. Although unexpected and probably not your intention, this little exchange has caused me to change my mind. I think Biden should give himself the widest, most sweeping self pardon that will survive any challenges. Trump's going to try to do it for himself anyway, so Biden may as well at least neuter the incoming Brownshirts.
 
I don't know about you but it amazes me that there are people out there who voted to have some government programs THEY use be cut or even stopped .
They don't understand that Trump IF he does what he has said he will do, putting tariffs of 20,30,40 % OR more on just about everything we import driving the cost of those things up by a comparative amount. That will drive us into a recession maybe even a depression like a lot of economists are saying they could.
Those tariffs will also drive up cost of a lot of things made here because they use a lot of imported parts to make those things.
Then as I said and we have seen Trump and his people are going after the low income worker. people on SS and getting Medicaid , and cutting programs these people need to live .
I really do not know where their heads are.

Well said. Tariffs are not a one way street. If we impose tariffs on other nations, they will do the same for our exports. Remember what happened to the soybean market and the soybean growers when #TRE45ON imposed tariffs on China? They quit buying from us and found other markets. We ended up increasing the deficit by billions when we bailed out those farmers who had lost market share to Brazil and other bean growing countries. Oops! The same thing will happen again. Consumers in the countries that import our goods will refuse to buy them when their govts. impose tariffs on our stuff. Tariffs only hurt us, not help us. Trump is too stupid to understand that, and so are his deplorable garbage MAGATs. All they see is revenge against China and Canada and Mexico, not what the tariffs will cost us and our industries. Ditto for cutting services to our low-income citizens. They want to punish them for being poor, but don't understand how many of their fellow MAGATs will be affected. Being bigots, they think that cuts will only affect those lazy brown ppl.
 
So has Fat Fuck Trump. Interesting. Although unexpected and probably not your intention, this little exchange has caused me to change my mind. I think Biden should give himself the widest, most sweeping self pardon that will survive any challenges. Trump's going to try to do it for himself anyway, so Biden may as well at least neuter the incoming Brownshirts.
This is what I've been saying about folks on the left for ages. They believe that the "bad guys" will do all the things they are doing so they constantly predict they will and nearly always are wrong. We watched as Braindead's handlers had him pardon Hunter in order to protect himself from investigations, it will be interesting if that precedent continues with future presidencies.

He also had his Justice Department go after political opponents. It will again be interesting to see if tRump will follow his example.
 
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Well said. Tariffs are not a one way street. If we impose tariffs on other nations, they will do the same for our exports. Remember what happened to the soybean market and the soybean growers when #TRE45ON imposed tariffs on China? They quit buying from us and found other markets. We ended up increasing the deficit by billions when we bailed out those farmers who had lost market share to Brazil and other bean growing countries. Oops! The same thing will happen again. Consumers in the countries that import our goods will refuse to buy them when their govts. impose tariffs on our stuff. Tariffs only hurt us, not help us. Trump is too stupid to understand that, and so are his deplorable garbage MAGATs. All they see is revenge against China and Canada and Mexico, not what the tariffs will cost us and our industries. Ditto for cutting services to our low-income citizens. They want to punish them for being poor, but don't understand how many of their fellow MAGATs will be affected. Being bigots, they think that cuts will only affect those lazy brown ppl.
And one more thing MAGAS cried and cried about high gas prices and from what I have read the CEOs of a lot of US oil companies have said oil imports will have those tariffs on the and they could make the price of gas jump as high as a dollar or more per gallon then it is now.
We import something like 6 to 8 MBPD of oil , a lot of it from Canada and some from Mexico , and if we piss them off it could force the price of oil to go up even more.
And he isn't seeing or doesn't know that Canada provides something like 4 or 5 states with their electric , piss Canada off and they could cause a real disaster and cut that power off.
Then what will those people do for electric?.
It takes year and years to build a power plant let alone all the other infrastructure we will need to build products we import.
Then add in a lot of job losses and a recession and that will drive it back even more years.
MAGA are so stupid they can't see this.
 
This is what I've been saying about folks on the left for ages. They believe that the "bad guys" will do all the things they are doing so they constantly predict they will and nearly always are wrong. We watched as Braindead's handlers had him pardon Hunter in order to protect himself from investigations, it will be interesting if that precedent continues with future presidencies.

He also had his Justice Department go after political opponents. It will again be interesting to see if tRump will follow his example.
You have the left and the right confused. The left tried to be civilized. The left followed rules and precedent. Then the Republican party of McConnell and Trump extinguished any dignity left in government. No one, including you, has any doubt whatsoever that Trump will try to pardon himself. Biden shouldn't miss his own opportunity.

The DOJ investigates crimes. In fact, your messiah did break the law at least 34 times. That is not "weaponization" of the Justice Department. You just support a criminal. It will not be "interesting" to see what Trump does. He's already said it over and over again with his own slobbering mouth. Patel is a QAnon believer. The nightmare that Trump has in store for the country and the world is not in question.
 
I don't think that I'm alone over here on the Left in hoping that #TRE45ON and his clown car full of sycophants actually does do something that significantly helps the majority of Americans, not just his zillionaire donors. His previous four years, though, tell us that this is unlikely to happen. If anything, he'll alienate more of our allies, embarrass us on the world stage, get impeached again and again for various criminal activities, weaken our national defense, trade classified knowledge so despots will like him, and throw low-income ppl under the bus, including his deplorable garbage MAGATs.
I think it is cute that you think the democrats don't have "zillionaire" donors. Maybe yours are special and not really zillionaires because they share your beliefs? Cognitive dissonance is a bitch ain't it?
 
I suspect that folks that run pResident Braindead will have him pardon himself and everyone in the current Administration preemptively then resign 2 days before the transition so that Harris will replace him for 2 whole days and he'll be President 48 when he gets sworn in just to ruin his merchandise. They'll probably remove the "m" "a" and "g" keys from the keyboards before they run away like they are being chased by murder hornets and call it the "most successful transition ever" since there were more "squealing tires" utilized by a transition team in all history!
It is an interesting thought. I wouldn't be surprised by a preemptive pardon, although I don't know if that has ever happened before in history. Has a President ever pardoned himself?

As for resigning, I don't think that will happen. He doesn't like Harris, he won't give her the satisfaction of being called Madame President for any amount of time
 
Maybe, but Hunter was charged and convicted. What is Trump's DOJ going to investigate Joe for?
Can you please share with us what crime Hunter was charged and convicted on in January 2014? I don't recall. Maybe you don't know that his pardon covers EVERYTHING he might have done in an eleven year period, not just the gun and tax evasion charges. You did know that right?
 
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You have the left and the right confused. The left tried to be civilized. The left followed rules and precedent. Then the Republican party of McConnell and Trump extinguished any dignity left in government. No one, including you, has any doubt whatsoever that Trump will try to pardon himself. Biden shouldn't miss his own opportunity.

The DOJ investigates crimes. In fact, your messiah did break the law at least 34 times. That is not "weaponization" of the Justice Department. You just support a criminal. It will not be "interesting" to see what Trump does. He's already said it over and over again with his own slobbering mouth. Patel is a QAnon believer. The nightmare that Trump has in store for the country and the world is not in question.
So now you justify democrat misdeeds by those things you THINK Trump will do? That is an amazing piece of mental gymnastics you have going on there.

PS, you like your other left wing friends are confused. The 34 charges you cite were at the state level and were a complete miscarriage of justice. Even lefties like Jonathan Turley say so.

But, please continue to be blinded by your Trump Derangement Syndrome. It appears to be a very healthy thing for you
 
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It is an interesting thought. I wouldn't be surprised by a preemptive pardon, although I don't know if that has ever happened before in history. Has a President ever pardoned himself?

As for resigning, I don't think that will happen. He doesn't like Harris, he won't give her the satisfaction of being called Madame President for any amount of time
No president has, but governors have.

 
Can you please share with us what crime Hunter was charged and convicted on in January 2014? I don't recall. Maybe you don't know that his pardon covers EVERYTHING he might have done in an eleven year period, not just the gun and tax evasion charges. You did know that right?
Yes, I did know that. What is your point?
 
You have the left and the right confused. The left tried to be civilized. The left followed rules and precedent. Then the Republican party of McConnell and Trump extinguished any dignity left in government. No one, including you, has any doubt whatsoever that Trump will try to pardon himself. Biden shouldn't miss his own opportunity.

The DOJ investigates crimes. In fact, your messiah did break the law at least 34 times. That is not "weaponization" of the Justice Department. You just support a criminal. It will not be "interesting" to see what Trump does. He's already said it over and over again with his own slobbering mouth. Patel is a QAnon believer. The nightmare that Trump has in store for the country and the world is not in question.
LOL. Seriously. You have to do some partisan mental gymnastics to get where you are in this post.

It will be interesting to us folks who didn't vote for either the pResident Braindead's VP or tRump whether tRump will follow his example and have his "justice" department go after his opponents. People with brains will know Braindead started it, even the leftist folks who pretend that it somehow was tRump who did it... We all know he could have investigated and convicted HillBillary, but didn't...
 
So now you justify democrat misdeeds by those things you THINK Trump will do? That is an amazing piece of mental gymnastics you have going on there.

PS, you like your other left wing friends are confused. The 34 charges you cite were at the state level and were a complete miscarriage of justice. Even lefties like Jonathan Turley say so.

But, please continue to be blinded by your Trump Derangement Syndrome. It appears to be a very healthy thing for you
No, you fucking idiot. I'm saying that when Democrats play nice, Republicans stab them in the back and gain an advantage. Politics is no longer civil, rational, nor dignified. Republicans set the tone and the table. Democrats should be equally ruthless.
 
LOL. Seriously. You have to do some partisan mental gymnastics to get where you are in this post.

It will be interesting to us folks who didn't vote for either the pResident Braindead's VP or tRump whether tRump will follow his example and have his "justice" department go after his opponents. People with brains will know Braindead started it, even the leftist folks who pretend that it somehow was tRump who did it... We all know he could have investigated and convicted HillBillary, but didn't...
No, it won't be "interesting", Damo. Your projection is exhausting. Trump has already said he plans to use the Justice Department to punish liberals. He nominated Kash Patel to lead the FBI. Patel has said even crazier things than Trump has said. We know exactly what is coming, so stop playing dumb and acting as if Biden is the source of a problem that Republicans and Trump in particular started.

In case you weren't aware, presidents do not "investigate and convict" anyone. An independent judiciary is supposed to be responsible for that, but we see where your loyalties lie.
 
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