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T. A. Gardner said:
I wonder why you think it's the National Guard that's the problem here. Clearly, Biden let in a massive number of criminals, potential and actual terrorists, and we (the government) doesn't have the first clue who the majority of those people are. The problem isn't the NG. The problem is criminals on our streets who should be in prison, illegals in the country that shouldn't be here, and generally, the Left and Democrats who defend that scum while denigrating our police and soldiers.
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The shooter assisted our own CIA in Afghanistan. It was proper that he be brought in to this country when we exited. He was vetted and given asylum under Trump.

If you have a fucking problem with that, shitstain, call your fucking congressman. Just stop your crybaby rants and lies here, bitch. It grows wearisome to see the same predictable cultist rhetoric from you cocksuckers, REGARDLESS of the topic.

Fuck man, you people are dullards. No wonder Trump loves you.
 
AProudLefty said:
@Grok, is this true?

### Breaking Down the Claim

The statement you quoted is a strongly worded critique of President Biden's immigration policies, often echoed in political rhetoric. While it contains elements grounded in real data—such as a significant surge in border encounters during Biden's term—much of it is exaggerated, misleading, or factually inaccurate. I'll evaluate each key part based on official U.S. government statistics from U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), Department of Homeland Security (DHS), and nonpartisan fact-checkers like FactCheck.org and Pew Research Center. These sources show a complex picture: high migration levels driven by global factors and policy shifts, but not an "open borders" policy, nor a literal flood of criminals and terrorists.
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Before Biden there was an estimated 11 to 15 million illegals in the US. During Biden's administration, somewhere between 6 and 20 million illegals entered the US. It is hardly "exaggerated" to say that Biden increased the illegal population of the US between 50 and 100% in just four years.

I wouldn't trust FactCheck.org's version of this without two or three other valid sources.

It also isn't unfair to say that Biden effectively opened the borders when there is an average increase in the illegal population of between 15 and 30% per year. That is unprecedented in all of US history. Biden could be said to have flooded the country with illegals.
AProudLefty said:
#### 1. **"Biden created a HUGE problem in letting in millions of unvetted, unchecked, illegal aliens from every country on the planet"**
- **Partially true on scale, but misleading on "unvetted/unchanged" and "every country."**
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Even at the time, the Biden administration, ICE, and CBP were saying they lacked the resources to vet every person coming into the US illegally. That doesn't even begin to include 'got aways' that were not stopped by ICE / CBP. It is perfectly valid to claim that illegals went unvetted in most, easily the majority, of cases.

Illegals could be said to be from "every country on the planet" even if from some more distant and obscure ones the numbers were small.
AProudLefty said:
- **Scale**: Yes, there have been millions of unauthorized crossings. CBP data shows over 10 million total nationwide encounters (apprehensions + inadmissibles at ports) from FY2021 (starting October 2020, but Biden took office January 2021) through FY2024, with about 8 million at the Southwest border. This includes repeats (e.g., 20-25% recidivism rate), expulsions (2.8 million under Title 42 until May 2023), and removals. Net unauthorized population growth was about 3.5 million from 2021-2023 (to ~14 million total), per Pew—not "millions let in" annually.
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Pew is hardly the only source. It would not be unfair to state that between 6 and 20 million entered the US illegally and stayed in the country.
AProudLefty said:
- **Vetting**: Migrants are screened against criminal and terrorist databases upon encounter. DHS checks biometrics, fingerprints, and watchlists. However, challenges exist: limited data-sharing from some countries and ~1.6-2 million "gotaways" (evaders) since 2021, who aren't vetted. Releases (2.5 million into the U.S. pending hearings) occur due to capacity limits, not lack of checks.
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It is clear from current ICE operations that most of the illegals entering the US during the Biden administration went unvetted. Even if there was some attempt to document those caught, that was fraught with issues like false names, ages, country of origin, false claims of asylum, with many barely getting a "Notice to appear" often nothing more than a request the illegal later come to a immigration court or center to get an actual Notice to Appear.
It is also clear that many of the supposedly vetted individuals were known criminals in their home country or internationally, yet they were let in anyway. That argues that vetting, if even done, was done ineffectively and therefore it can be argued that the individual wasn't vetted.
AProudLefty said:
- **Origins**: Migrants from ~160 countries, but overwhelmingly Latin American (80%+): Mexico (25%), Guatemala, Honduras, Venezuela, Cuba. Not "every country"—e.g., few from Europe or Asia proportionally.
- **Context**: Encounters peaked in FY2023 (2.8 million) due to global migration drivers (violence, poverty, post-COVID), but dropped sharply after Biden's June 2024 asylum restrictions: down 70% in late 2024, to historic lows by early 2025 (~47,000 in December 2024). This undercuts the "huge problem" narrative as ongoing.
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Trivial objections fallacy. The point I made was illegals were coming from everywhere. That too was and is a problem. In late 2024, as Grok notes, illegal immigration started to taper off as it became more apparent Trump would win the election, and once he did it tapered off big time. In 2025, with Trump in office, illegal crossings fell to a near all-time low.

So, that doesn't "undercut the 'huge problem'" that Biden created. The second he was out of office and someone was in who was going to enforce immigration law and border security, crossings fell to nothing.
AProudLefty said:
#### 2. **"In many cases, tried to normalize them where they could get legal ID, jobs, government assistance, etc."**
- **Partially true, but limited scope and not "normalization" for all.**
- **Work permits and ID**: Biden expanded Temporary Protected Status (TPS) for ~1 million from countries like Venezuela and Haiti, granting work authorization and deportation relief. A June 2024 policy offers "parole in place" to ~500,000 undocumented spouses/stepchildren of U.S. citizens (with 10+ years residency), providing work permits, deportation protection, and a green card path—without leaving the U.S. Asylum-seekers can apply for work permits after 150 days. These are legal pathways for subsets, not blanket "normalization."
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More trivial objections followed by a pattern of ignoring immigration law and trying to maximize the number of illegals that would get "normalized" was the pattern for the Biden administration. Trump reversed that and is reversing it. Protected status is gone for whole groups of illegals numbering in the tens of thousands with well over a quarter million losing their status. Work permits, same thing.

So, it is fair to say Biden tried to let as many illegals enter as possible, and then tried to normalize their status to the maximum extent possible.
AProudLefty said:
- **Government assistance**: Undocumented immigrants are ineligible for most federal benefits (e.g., SNAP, Medicaid, cash welfare). Some states offer limited aid (e.g., driver's licenses in 19 states), but no broad federal program. DACA recipients (~636,000) get work permits but not full benefits.
- **Overall**: These policies affect ~2 million people, not the full 10+ million encountered. Critics call it "amnesty," but it's targeted relief, similar to programs under prior administrations.
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This is disingenuous and amounts to cherry picking. Clearly there are many illegals of one classification or another that are receiving government benefits of one type or another.
AProudLefty said:
#### 3. **"Basically, Biden opened the borders, ignored immigration law"**
- **False—this is hyperbolic.**
- Borders aren't "open": CBP enforces laws daily, with 2.8 million expulsions/removals since 2021. Biden ended Trump-era policies like wall construction and "Remain in Mexico" but added 700+ miles of barriers, increased Border Patrol funding, and issued 2024 restrictions barring asylum if daily crossings exceed 2,500.
- Not ignoring law: Policies use executive authority (e.g., parole under INA Section 212), challenged in courts but upheld in parts. A bipartisan border bill failed in 2024 due to GOP opposition. Encounters rose due to policy signals (e.g., pausing deportations) but also external factors; apprehension rates (~78%) match Trump's era.
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More trivial objections. Actions speak louder than words. Even conservatively, Biden increased the illegal population in the US by 50%. It is far more likely he increased it by over 100%.

Vetting wasn't properly done on those entering and that can clearly be seen in ICE arrests today. A wink and a nod to doing vetting isn't following the law. Opening the borders to certain nationalities like, Haitians, Cubans, and Venezuelans is the same thing. Putting lipstick on a pig or using a fig leaf to cover up actions doesn't make what was going on "following immigration law." Biden clearly wasn't.
AProudLefty said:
#### 4. **"Flooded the country with criminals and terrorists"**
- **Exaggerated and misleading—vast majority are not criminals or terrorists.**
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Another trivial objection. How many terrorists and criminals being let into the US as illegals is acceptable? 10, 100, 1000? We know in the category of criminals it's more like tens of thousands, probably hundreds of thousands.
AProudLefty said:
- **Criminals**: Of ~10 million encounters, ~55,000 had prior convictions/warrants (0.5%). ICE's non-detained docket has ~650,000 with criminal histories (many from pre-Biden eras; includes charges, not just convictions). High-profile cases (e.g., murders by Venezuelan migrants) exist, but studies show unauthorized immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than U.S.-born citizens. Releases prioritize threats (e.g., via Mayorkas' 2021 memo focusing on public safety risks).
- **Terrorists**: 382 watchlist encounters at Southwest border FY2021-2024 (~0.004% of total)—up from Trump's 11, but still tiny. At least 99 released (some later detained), from 36 countries, but no major attacks linked. "Gotaways" raise concerns, but no evidence of a "flood."
- **Not a "flood"**: 99.5%+ of encounters involve economic/asylum migrants, not threats.
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Again, how many criminals and terrorists are acceptable? Grok is effectively arguing almost 750,000 criminals and 400 +terrorists is perfectly acceptable. They're a 'rounding error' sort of claim.
AProudLefty said:
#### Overall Assessment
The statement is **mostly false** as a whole—it's partisan framing that inflates numbers and ignores nuances like vetting, removals, and global context. Biden's policies contributed to record encounters by signaling leniency early on, straining resources and enabling some risks, but they followed laws, included enforcement, and reduced crossings later. No evidence supports "flooding with criminals and terrorists" as a defining feature; that's a tiny fraction. Immigration remains a humanitarian and security challenge, but solutions require congressional action beyond executive tweaks. For deeper dives, check CBP's monthly reports or Pew's analyses.
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Overall assessment: Grok's answers were one-sided, shallow, and based on limited data that supports a narrative rather than a fair and unbiased assessment. It is clear that during the Biden years illegal immigration was out-of-control and it is one major reason Harris lost the 2024 election.
 
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domer76 said:
The shooter assisted our own CIA in Afghanistan. It was proper that he be brought in to this country when we exited. He was vetted and given asylum under Trump.
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Does "double agent" mean anything to you? Also, he was let in by Biden, vetted by Biden. Trump issued asylum based on those actions.
 
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Nordberg said:
He was let in during Biden's administration, not by Biden.
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Biden was responsible for the fuck up in Afghanistan. Biden authorized the entry of Afghanis by the tens of thousands. Biden authorized Afghanis who helped the US--or at least claimed to have had--to enter. Biden didn't enforce close vetting of any of these entries. This is Biden's fault.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Based on the "vetting" the Biden administration did...
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Is Biden now Trumps boss?

Trump has to complete everything Biden started and Trump has no ownership of his own actions as he cannot refuse Biden?

It's the weakest of Leadership to take charge, implement the last guys stuff, when you have all the power not to and then try to blame the other guy when stuff goes wrong that you did, saying 'ya but he made me do it... i had no choice or discretion'.
 
Althea said:
Incorrect
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Are you really claiming that National Guard who are in a military police unit don't have law enforcement training? Are you really saying that units that have to do security missions don't get the equivalent of armed security guard training?

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T. A. Gardner said:
Are you really claiming that National Guard who are in a military police unit don't have law enforcement training? Are you really saying that units that have to do security missions don't get the equivalent of armed security guard training?

www.operationmilitarykids.org

Army Military Police (MOS 31B): 2022 Career Details

Army Military Police (MOS 31B) perform basic police functions including enforcing laws and regulations. Read for Military Police job duties, pay and more.
www.operationmilitarykids.org www.operationmilitarykids.org
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Correct
 
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