70% of Mexicans Support Reinstituting the Death Penalty

Mr. Liberal said:
LOL.

Japan is by no means the second most advanced nation on Earth, and Americas only the most advanced by means of the total size of its economy.
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Who is more advanced than American in terms of technology and innovation then?
America is the recognized world leader in innovation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innovation#2008-2009_Global_Innovation_Index

The facts once again destroy little Waterfart.

You're a child who knows almost nothing. Still waiting on your proof for your made up bullshit figures about support for the death penalty in France and Britain.
 
KingCondanomation said:
Who is more advanced than American in terms of technology and innovation then?
America is the recognized world leader in innovation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innovation#2008-2009_Global_Innovation_Index

The facts once again destroy little Waterfart.

You're a child who knows almost nothing. Still waiting on your proof for your made up bullshit figures about support for the death penalty in France and Britain.
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You are actually offended that I said that majorities supported the death penalty in France and Britian? Sheesh. You won't take yes for an answer.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/international-polls-and-studies

They're a little different than the figures I posted, but death penalty support was at 76% in 1995, and a majority at 55% still support it in Britian, and in France it says 62% supported the death penalty at abolition (surprisingly simialar to the current US number), and only 40% do now. In Canada, it was also up to 70% in the 90's, but has since dropped to 48%. In the US I believe it rose to 80% in the 90's and now is at a thirty year low of around 64%.

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Mr. Conservative said:
You are actually offended that I said that majorities supported the death penalty in France and Britian? Sheesh. You won't take yes for an answer.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/international-polls-and-studies

They're a little different than the figures I posted, but death penalty support was at 76% in 1995, and a majority at 55% still support it in Britian, and in France it says 62% supported the death penalty at abolition (surprisingly simialar to the current US number), and only 40% do now. In Canada, it was also up to 70% in the 90's, but has since dropped to 48%. In the US I believe it rose to 80% in the 90's and now is at a forty year low of around 64%.
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Yes 80% is different than 62% and yes 55% is a little different than 70% and by the way, try reading your own link, it's not 55% in Britain, it's 49%.
You are such a spaz, you cannot even get your own recorrected numbers right!

Nobody should ever trust you on any number you post, you are just a lazy fat kid who doesn't want to take even a little time to actually look up facts, so you just make it up and pray like hell that no one ever challenges you on it. What a waste of life.
 
KingCondanomation said:
Yes 80% is different than 62% and yes 55% is a little different than 70% and by the way, try reading your own link, it's not 55% in Britain, it's 49%.
You are such a spaz, you cannot even get your own recorrected numbers right!

Nobody should ever trust you on any number you post, you are just a lazy fat kid who doesn't want to take even a little time to actually look up facts, so you just make it up and pray like hell that no one ever challenges you on it. What a waste of life.
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Ever heard of poll noise Dano? One poll may have posted 80% and another 62% in a short period of time. The 80% is from a different source:



The 55% figure is from a DIFFERENT poll on the same page - imagine, two different polls! I don't read things in a linear fashion like you, I just grabbed the first statistic I saw. And in that same area IT SAYS THAT DEATH PENALTY SUPPORT WAS AT 76% DURING THE DEATH PENALTY DEBATES IN 1995. READ IT YOU FUCKING IDIOT.

You lying piece of shit.
 
Mr. Conservative said:
Ever heard of poll noise Dano? One poll may have posted 80% and another 62% in a short period of time. The 80% is from a different source:
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Then post the source, it's way too high and reeks of overexxageration as do most of your made up Waterfacts.


Mr. Conservative said:
The 55% figure is from a DIFFERENT poll on the same page - imagine, two different polls! I don't read things in a linear fashion like you, I just grabbed the first statistic I saw. And in that same area IT SAYS THAT DEATH PENALTY SUPPORT WAS AT 76% DURING THE DEATH PENALTY DEBATES IN 1995. READ IT YOU FUCKING IDIOT.

You lying piece of shit.
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Fuck your dumb. You are talking about 55% like it was the current poll, when in fact it was from 2003, the most current British poll from your own link says it is 49% in 2005. If you are talking about what current support for the DP is and you are, then you are wrong, as per usual.

As for the other part, I never disputed the 76% figure did I? That can be believable at a time when a nation has outrage over certain murders.

I'm not looking for your apology, I'd rather you just go out and get a job and be normal. Now off you go to bed or World of Wardorks or whatever it is you think brings you some relief from your miserable existence.
 
KingCondanomation said:
Then post the source, it's way too high and reeks of overexxageration as do most of your made up Waterfacts.
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It was from a pro-death penalty blog which was arguing that elites in europe keep the people from having the death penalty they actually want back from coming back. I'm sorry, I googled what I remembered and couldn't find the post. If I find it in the future I'll PM it to you.
 
KingCondanomation said:
You are talking about 55% like it was the current poll, when in fact it was from 2003, the most current British poll from your own link says it is 49% in 2005. If you are talking about what current support for the DP is and you are, then you are wrong, as per usual.
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I'm sorry for the confusion, 55% came later in the post, and I just picked up on the first statistic I saw. I didn't know there were other polls in it.
 
KingCondanomation said:
As for the other part, I never disputed the 76% figure did I? That can be believable at a time when a nation has outrage over certain murders.
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You said:

"yes 55% is a little different than 70% and by the way, try reading your own link, it's not 55% in Britain, it's 49%. "

I assumed this meant that you were saying that I was saying that the current statistics were 70%, when I clearly outlined in the first post that started this debate that those statistics were from the 90's.
 
OK, the murder rate in Mexico is surging as a consequence of a massive spike in the drug war.

How many players in the Mexican drug cartels, getting up every day with the prospect of assassination by rival drug gangs, suspicious colleagues or corrupt police officers, are going to suddenly sit bolt upright in bed one morning upon hearing of the Mexican government's decision to bring back the death penalty and, in that moment, undergo some kind of epiphany - resolving to leave the drugs world behind and dedicate the rest of their lives to helping orphaned handicapped kittens?

Good luck with that.
 
charver said:
OK, the murder rate in Mexico is surging as a consequence of a massive spike in the drug war.

How many players in the Mexican drug cartels, getting up every day with the prospect of assassination by rival drug gangs, suspicious colleagues or corrupt police officers, are going to suddenly sit bolt upright in bed one morning upon hearing of the Mexican government's decision to bring back the death penalty and, in that moment, undergo some kind of epiphany - resolving to leave the drugs world behind and dedicate the rest of their lives to helping orphaned handicapped kittens?

Good luck with that.
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A lot of criminals specifically turned to smuggling animals into the U.S. instead of drugs because the money is just as good and the punishment for getting caught is only about half as severe.
You better believe at least some criminals weigh risk versus reward.

The best argument against the DP is that it likely does not deter crimes of passion, but crimes where killing is rewarded financially (either directly or indirectly), they are cognizant in thinking about their desire to do it contrasted to the degree of punishment. Again some of them though, I am sure there are some that are nuts, but most are not.
 
KingCondanomation said:
A lot of criminals specifically turned to smuggling animals into the U.S. instead of drugs because the money is just as good and the punishment for getting caught is only about half as severe.
You better believe at least some criminals weigh risk versus reward.

The best argument against the DP is that it likely does not deter crimes of passion, but crimes where killing is rewarded financially (either directly or indirectly), they are cognizant in thinking about their desire to do it contrasted to the degree of punishment. Again some of them though, I am sure there are some that are nuts, but most are not.
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If the Mexicans believe that instituting the death penalty is going to get their crime rate down i wish them all the best.

I would only point out that extra judicial killing in Mexico is already out of control. Any Mexican criminal would have to be seriously retarded not to know that he is already as likely to end up dead at the hands of the State's own employees without sanction, so why would official government approval of a death penalty change anyone's mind?

The main problem in Mexico is that the police are, more often than not, indistinguishable from the criminals.
 
charver said:
If the Mexicans believe that instituting the death penalty is going to get their crime rate down i wish them all the best.

I would only point out that extra judicial killing in Mexico is already out of control. Any Mexican criminal would have to be seriously retarded not to know that he is already as likely to end up dead at the hands of the State's own employees without sanction, so why would official government approval of a death penalty change anyone's mind?

The main problem in Mexico is that the police are, more often than not, indistinguishable from the criminals.
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Yeah I've heard some stories about the police, but that is a seperate issue. There is police corruption in many big Liberal run cities over here with no DP in many.

The DP would lower the crime rate at least with crimes that merit it. They've gotten weaker on crime in your country and I'm sure you wouldn't deny the crime rate has gone up there.
 
KingCondanomation said:
Yeah I've heard some stories about the police, but that is a seperate issue. There is police corruption in many big Liberal run cities over here with no DP in many.

The DP would lower the crime rate at least with crimes that merit it. They've gotten weaker on crime in your country and I'm sure you wouldn't deny the crime rate has gone up there.
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But it isn't a separate issue. The whole point of the death penalty deterrent argument is that it would put somebody off committing capital crimes. The Mexicans committing capital crime, as it stands now, are face to face with death every day and they still carry on because it's profitable and there is a long line of people just waiting to take the place of those who perish.

An inefficient police and judicial system putting even a hundred criminals to death every year, in Mexico, still isn't as an efficient a killer as the police are now. Therefore any potential deterrent effect is already nullified.
 
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