8th grader suspended and arrested for wearing an NRA t-shirt??

Socrtease said:
You know the whole gun as extension of penis thing is really sort of an outmoded psychological theory. Primarily you and others of your authoritarian ilk tend to resort to this in an attempt to embarrass and ultimately shut down debate. I don't even need a snub nose 38 to make my penis feel bigger it's plenty big enough as it is. So wanna get back to the issue, or should I start in about how you are just a liberal male who has allowed himself to be feminized by the women on the left?
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Sure. I'll stick to the issue if you will and if you'll be honest about it. I've read the reports. The kid was not arrested for wearing the sihrt. That's a fact. We was arrested for disrupting a class and obstructing a police officer. Those are facts.
 
Dungheap said:
Other than the fact that he was arrested? No, but I can probably dig up a news story or two if you really need one. Maybe he didn't. I don't know. But his alleged conduct is what led to the arrest, not the wearing of a t-shirt.
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Dig them up... show us what the school says this kid did to disrupt the school.

Everything I have seen thus far shows it was the TEACHER that caused the disruption. Yet the TEACHER has not been suspended or punished in any way. Everything I have seen thus far keeps saying the school isn't commenting on this yet... I wonder why?
 
Not even the article says he was arrested for wearing the t-shirt. That is simply an over reaction ,false outrage, to jsutify an argument.
 
Socrtease said:
That is EXACTLY what I think. We live in a country where children are now suspended for eating their pop tarts in such a way that it MIGHT look like a gun, and where kids can now longer play cops and robbers or cowboys and indians (oops native americans) for fear of being suspended for turning their fucking hand into a gun. Our "fear" of the gun has turned our schools into places where boy behavior is now disallowed, can't play dodge ball, tackle football or hand out first second and third place ribbons because we don't want anyone to get their feelings hurt. Teachers have become almost as authoritarian as cops.
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Well you're entitled to think what you what. You're wrong but your entitled to be that too. :)
 
Mott the Hoople said:
"Logan police arrested Marcum at the school last Thursday after he refused a teacher's order to remove the shirt. White says prosecutors are reviewing the case to determine whether to file charges.

Marcum has said that he was arrested on charges of disrupting an educational process and obstructing an officer, though White said Monday that the Logan County prosecutor's office is reviewing the case to decide whether to proceed."

http://www.oregonherald.com/bnews/story.htm?id=580

So there you go folks. He was not arrested for wearing an NRA t-shirt.
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seriously? that's it? ANYTHING, even saying 'no, thank you', can be construed as disruption and the same with the obstruction. you can almost guarantee that the prosecutor is only reviewing this to see if 1) public outrage would be disastrous should he move forward with the charges and 2) if he can stretch the truth far enough with statists like christiefan to make a case and get a guilty verdict
 
Jarod said:
If the kid tried to address the issue respectfully and in a legal manor, and met with dead ends. I completly support him if he quietly sat in class with the shirt on and was arrested for it, he should fight in the legal system if he did that.

If thats the case, he is akin to Roas Parks.
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I actually don't care what his reaction was. If he did overreact, I can sympathize w/ that - because it's absolutely ridiculous that he shouldn't be able to wear a shirt like that.

I mean, that's the story here. People have to be vigilant against this stuff; this is not what we're about.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Well you're entitled to think what you what. You're wrong but your entitled to be that too. :)
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What did he do to obstruct the police office Mutt? What did he do to cause a disruption? Just because that is what they SAY on the report, isn't evidence that is what he did.

Also... AGAIN... NONE of that would have happened had the TEACHER not violated school policy and made an unreasonable request of the student. NONE OF IT.
 
Jarod said:
If the kid tried to address the issue respectfully and in a legal manor, and met with dead ends. I completly support him if he quietly sat in class with the shirt on and was arrested for it, he should fight in the legal system if he did that.

If thats the case, he is akin to Roas Parks.
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No, he's not akin to Rosa Parks. Not at all.

Call me picky, but tragic as being told to take off a t-shirt may be, it's not quite as bad as the systematic segregation of public transportation based on skin color.

And while fighting for your right to wear a t-shirt is a very fine, very American idea, it is not quite as brave as being a middle-aged black woman in Alabama in 1955 telling a white man she's not giving him her seat despite the fact that the law requires her to do so. And oh, by the way, in the process, she gets arrested. And then sparks the Montgomery Bus Boycott, which is the seed of the Civil Rights Movement as we know it. The Bus Boycotters not only introduced a 26-year-old pastor by the name of Martin Luther King junior into national public life, but after many months of car pools, walking, and court fights against bus segregation, got the separate-but-equal doctrine declared illegal once and for all.

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/226/transcript
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Well you're entitled to think what you what. You're wrong but your entitled to be that too. :)
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Really? So kids aren't suspended for turning pop tarts into guns? They aren't disciplined for pointing their flesh firearms at other kids and making gun sounds. And IF that is true than it is so hard to believe that a kid who refused to turn his shirt inside out MIGHT not be vilified by the school employee to justify the arrest. The ONLY person that says he caused a scene is the teacher that told him to turn the shirt around. Imagine a teacher or cop might lie to justify their over reaction?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Ya know I bet a whole bunch of posters on here would be singing a different tune if he wore an "I Hate Jesus" shirt, was told to remove it, and threw a temper tantrum.
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Really? Let's see whom. Out of the posters arguing here, we have myself, a pagan. We have STY, who maybe a Christian, or maybe an atheist. We have SF who is either an agnostic or an atheist. We have Soc, who is an atheist.

Who among us would give a damn about the jesus shirt?
 
Superfreak said:
No, the kid was not. You have not shown anything that supports your claim that he acted inappropriately. NOTHING. He refused the teachers request. He had a right to do so. For it was the TEACHER in the wrong. Not the kid.

So either show us your evidence he acted wrong or shut the fuck up.
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The school has not commented on the issue. We do not, at this time, know the details that lead to his arrest.

Open defiance of teachers is not tolerated at schools. If every student was allowed to openly disobey a teachers request to the point it causes other students to climb upon tables and chant the students name it would be chaos and not an enviroment that is conducive to learning.

There is the need for order in schools for the safety of the students and faculty.

I think arresting the student was overkill, but at this time I do not know the full set of circumstances.

Zero tolerance is the policies of most schools. There is a right and wrong way to fight the establishment and you openly defy the teacher and not have to face consequences.
 
Dungheap said:
No, he's not akin to Rosa Parks. Not at all.

Call me picky, but tragic as being told to take off a t-shirt may be, it's not quite as bad as the systematic segregation of public transportation based on skin color.

And while fighting for your right to wear a t-shirt is a very fine, very American idea, it is not quite as brave as being a middle-aged black woman in Alabama in 1955 telling a white man she's not giving him her seat despite the fact that the law requires her to do so. And oh, by the way, in the process, she gets arrested. And then sparks the Montgomery Bus Boycott, which is the seed of the Civil Rights Movement as we know it. The Bus Boycotters not only introduced a 26-year-old pastor by the name of Martin Luther King junior into national public life, but after many months of car pools, walking, and court fights against bus segregation, got the separate-but-equal doctrine declared illegal once and for all.

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/226/transcript
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Amazing.
 
Superfreak said:
What did he do to obstruct the police office Mutt? What did he do to cause a disruption? Just because that is what they SAY on the report, isn't evidence that is what he did.

Also... AGAIN... NONE of that would have happened had the TEACHER not violated school policy and made an unreasonable request of the student. NONE OF IT.
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Yea....he was arrested for wearing a t-shirt. To quote Dung "Ok".
 
Jarod said:
Not even the article says he was arrested for wearing the t-shirt. That is simply an over reaction ,false outrage, to jsutify an argument.
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No one said he was. He was arrested because they are saying that by saying NO to the teachers unreasonable request that constitutes 'causing a disruption'

Again... NONE of this would have happened if the teacher had not acted inappropriately. No matter how much you want to place the blame on a kid or his reactions... it is the TEACHER that is at fault.
 
It's a school. Schools have dress codes. Oh they left this out of the code! OMG! Freedom!

They'll update their code.

I don't give a shit about this so I won't return this thread. Continue the wanking.
 
Socrtease said:
Really? So kids aren't suspended for turning pop tarts into guns? They aren't disciplined for pointing their flesh firearms at other kids and making gun sounds. And IF that is true than it is so hard to believe that a kid who refused to turn his shirt inside out MIGHT not be vilified by the school employee to justify the arrest. The ONLY person that says he caused a scene is the teacher that told him to turn the shirt around. Imagine a teacher or cop might lie to justify their over reaction?
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But that's just pure speculation on your part in this case. Isn't it?
 
Socrtease said:
That is EXACTLY what I think. We live in a country where children are now suspended for eating their pop tarts in such a way that it MIGHT look like a gun, and where kids can now longer play cops and robbers or cowboys and indians (oops native americans) for fear of being suspended for turning their fucking hand into a gun. Our "fear" of the gun has turned our schools into places where boy behavior is now disallowed, can't play dodge ball, tackle football or hand out first second and third place ribbons because we don't want anyone to get their feelings hurt. Teachers have become almost as authoritarian as cops.
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LOL. If anyone can tell me what the fuck guns have to do with tackle football and other so-called "boy behavior" while holding true to Soc's argument that "gun as extension of penis thing is really sort of an outmoded psychological theory" I'll give them a nickel.
 
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