A Bigger Libertarian Tent

[Paul Siraisi]

Hi.
I was raised a Democrat, but generally dislike Democrats. I also dislike bible thumpers, and believe there are inadequate checks on corporate influence over our laws. I supported the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, voted for Obama in 2006 because he was black and for Romney in 2012 because he was a Mormon. I'll also vote for the first woman who comes along except, possibly, for Hillary Clinton, whom I don't hate (hell, I’d vote for Sarah Palin), but who I think might be an obstacle to getting rid of ObamaCare. Wanting to get rid of ObamaCare is not the same as thinking our health care system doesn’t need drastic restructuring. I want to preserve Social Security, but think in general the federal government needs to be far smaller and more efficient than it currently is. Lower taxes, less spending, less debt.

In general I am quite sympathetic to Libertarian views, but as you can see from the above, am not clasically Libertarian by a long shot. On the other hand, a Libertarian who actually managed to take office would probably find hself obliged to compromise on just about everything.

So I’m looking for that 3rd party. I’m guessing it’s going to look more Libertarian than either Democrat or Republican. But Libertarianism simply can’t survive in the USA in its current form. Where is that 3rd party? Where is the big libertarian tent?

 

[Paul Siraisi]

Thanks for the tip. I'll keep an eye out.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

Thanks for the tip. I'll keep an eye out.

I'm not a lady. But why not just do 10 push-ups every day when you get out of bed? Works wonders.

 

[NOVA]

Good to have you join us dude.....beware of the assholes, we have more than our share.

the ignore function is your friend, don't be afraid to use it.....

 

[Paul Siraisi]

I'm not a lady. But why not just do 10 push-ups every day when you get out of bed? Works wonders.

I know.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Hi.
I was raised a Democrat, but generally dislike Democrats. I also dislike bible thumpers, and believe there are inadequate checks on corporate influence over our laws. I supported the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, voted for Obama in 2006 because he was black and for Romney in 2012 because he was a Mormon. I'll also vote for the first woman who comes along except, possibly, for Hillary Clinton, whom I don't hate (hell, I’d vote for Sarah Palin), but who I think might be an obstacle to getting rid of ObamaCare. Wanting to get rid of ObamaCare is not the same as thinking our health care system doesn’t need drastic restructuring. I want to preserve Social Security, but think in general the federal government needs to be far smaller and more efficient than it currently is. Lower taxes, less spending, less debt.

In general I am quite sympathetic to Libertarian views, but as you can see from the above, am not clasically Libertarian by a long shot. On the other hand, a Libertarian who actually managed to take office would probably find hself obliged to compromise on just about everything.

So I’m looking for that 3rd party. I’m guessing it’s going to look more Libertarian than either Democrat or Republican. But Libertarianism simply can’t survive in the USA in its current form. Where is that 3rd party? Where is the big libertarian tent?

If libertarians gave up their right-wing economic views, I honestly think they would eventually just be absorbed by the left, or disintegrate. Their dedication to right-wing economics is a big issue that drives a lot of people to them.

 

[Paul Siraisi]

Good to have you join us dude.....beware of the assholes, we have more than our share.

the ignore function is you friend, don't be afraid to use it.....

Thanks. I'll see how it goes. How moderated are we?

 

[/MSG/]

Thanks. I'll see how it goes. How moderated are we?

Not very.

 

[/MSG/]

Also, we Libertarians wouldn't want you.

 

[Paul Siraisi]

If libertarians gave up their right-wing economic views, I honestly think they would eventually just be absorbed by the left, or disintegrate. Their dedication to right-wing economics is a big issue that drives a lot of people to them.

What is right-wing economics?

 

[Paul Siraisi]

Also, we Libertarians wouldn't want you.

Any plans to win an election these days?

 

[/MSG/]

Any plans to win an election these days?

Well, Rand Paul is in the Senate, so I think that's a won election. How many years did Ron Paul serve in Congress? If winning an election means dumbing down a candidate to appeal to dumb voters, then democracy is doomed in any case. And voting for someone because of their gender, race, or religion, is dumb.

 

[NOVA]

Thanks. I'll see how it goes. How moderated are we?

Its pretty loose here, sometimes too loose.....if we don't feed the trolls, we can have a degree of control ourselves....
don't get sucked into accepting some clown putting words in your mouth and clarify everything you say so even the most stupid pinhead won't mis-construe what you mean...

Enjoy yourself.....

 

[Paul Siraisi]

Well, Rand Paul is in the Senate, so I think that's a won election. How many years did Ron Paul serve in Congress? If winning an election means dumbing down a candidate to appeal to dumb voters, then democracy is doomed in any case.

And voting for someone because of their gender, race, or religion, is dumb.

Except the first time. And posturing about them is pretty dumb, too.

 

[/MSG/]

Except the first time. And posturing about them is pretty dumb, too.

No, it's dumb.

 

[Paul Siraisi]

Forgot these parts:

Well, Rand Paul is in the Senate, so I think that's a won election. How many years did Ron Paul serve in Congress?

Bah. Feeble.

If winning an election means dumbing down a candidate to appeal to dumb voters, then democracy is doomed in any case.

Sometimes you have to stoop down to raise things up. But what part of the platform I suggested looks dumb to you?

 

[/MSG/]

what part of the platform I suggested looks dumb to you?

The part about voting for Obama because he's black, Romney because he's Mormon, and voting for a women because shes a women. That's dumb. Really, really dumb. Pants on head retarded in fact.

Supporting the Afghan and Iraqi wars, isn't exactly a good way to reduce government or spending either. Reducing military spending is a good way to do that.

 

[Paul Siraisi]

No, it's dumb.

Why? Don't you want us to get past those subjects as soon as possible when it comes to electing a president? Do you believe the race, gender and religion pot needs to be simmered but not stirred?

 

[Paul Siraisi]

The part about voting for Obama because he's black, Romney because he's Mormon, and voting for a women because shes a women. That's dumb. Really, really dumb. Pants on head retarded in fact.

Your fear of handling those topics is showing.

Supporting the Afghan and Iraqi wars, isn't exactly a good way to reduce government or spending either. Reducing military spending is a good way to do that.

That certainly looks like a contradiction, but you have to do what you have to do. Saving money doesn't mean not buying food, etc.

 

[/MSG/]

Why? Don't you want us to get past those subjects as soon as possible when it comes to electing a president? Do you believe the race, gender and religion pot needs to be simmered but not stirred?

I believe in voting based on MERIT. A foreign concept in our current state, I know. Style has conquered substance and made it a slave.