A British Muslim speaks

Rana said:
Did you tell him how you feel about Muslim immigrants? I wonder if he was an immigrant? I somehow doubt you were honest with him, you pretended to be liberal for many years on here! Lol
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I still haven't been able to get anything out of you regarding your BFF and her use of the highly offensive and racist expression suckee fuckee. I daresay you will ignore that again, as is your wont.
 
Milagro said:
I still haven't been able to get anything out of you regarding your BFF and her use of the highly offensive and racist expression suckee fuckee. I daresay you will ignore that again, as is your wont.
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Just watch and she'll do exactly like she has in the past; because she's say something like:
Oh Darla, that was terrible and you shouldn't have said that.
<wink - wink>
 
Milagro said:
I wa talking with a very good Muslim friend the other day, he asked me why do white middle liberals always seem to want to make excuses for extremists?
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Because it's a strawman Tom. Not condemning an entire religion because of a handful of the Middle East equivalent of Hillbillys is not the same as making excuses for terrorist.

He does hit the nail on the head. Education is they key. How many Arab States would fall if they only educated their masses to western standards? Gets complicated, doesn't it?

If anyone is to blame for the radicalism in the Middle East it is the ruling classes of many of those nations. By not educating their masses and retaining medieval social structures that keep large masses of their people uneducated and poor and frustrated and trapped in serfdom they create the breeding grounds for radicalization.

But if you educate the masses the ruling class position become untenable. How long do you think the house of Saud would last if they had modern public liberal arts education for the masses? Maybe as long as the oil does.

The problem in the ME is largely that the ruling classes have done little to advance their people and have kept vast numbers of people in ignorance and poverty. It has made them weak and vulnerable to the west. They also are well aware of that and loath themselves for it and resent the hell out of the west too. Fertile ground for raising radicals.
 
SA has a massive foreign student program.
Saudi students abroad
Launched by the late King Abdullah in 2005, this programme formalised the longstanding and already active outward flow of Saudi students to universities worldwide.
It aimed to send 50,000 Saudi men and women to higher education institutions overseas.
Renewed with the subsequent five-year Saudi development plan in 2010, it has to date educated a far greater number of citizens than was earlier envisioned.
http://www.universityworldnews.com/article.php?story=20151208190817896

Islam is a more conservative religion in terms of social action the Xtianity/western values.
 
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LINK
 
Rana said:
They don't, they simply want you all to remember all Muslims aren't extremists. Your Muslim friend, wink, wink, should know this. Liberals are the ones who support them when the rest of you want to label all of them terrorists.
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Moderate Muslims are in the extreme minority we are talking less than 10 percent, that is a fact backed by polling data.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Because it's a strawman Tom. Not condemning an entire religion because of a handful of the Middle East equivalent of Hillbillys is not the same as making excuses for terrorist.

He does hit the nail on the head. Education is they key. How many Arab States would fall if they only educated their masses to western standards? Gets complicated, doesn't it?

If anyone is to blame for the radicalism in the Middle East it is the ruling classes of many of those nations. By not educating their masses and retaining medieval social structures that keep large masses of their people uneducated and poor and frustrated and trapped in serfdom they create the breeding grounds for radicalization.

But if you educate the masses the ruling class position become untenable. How long do you think the house of Saud would last if they had modern public liberal arts education for the masses? Maybe as long as the oil does.

The problem in the ME is largely that the ruling classes have done little to advance their people and have kept vast numbers of people in ignorance and poverty. It has made them weak and vulnerable to the west. They also are well aware of that and loath themselves for it and resent the hell out of the west too. Fertile ground for raising radicals.
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Yet there have been cases where the highly educated have become terrorists. Take the case of the 2007 attack at Glasgow Airport. One was a doctor and the other an engineer. So what motivated them? Oh and by the way, Pakistan and Afghanistan are not in the Middle East. Pakistan is probably the most worrying as it has a huge population and possesses nuclear weapons, lots of them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Glasgow_International_Airport_attack
 
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It is arseholes like this guy that are radicalising young muslims in places like Birmingham.

‘You’re a racist’: Islamic street preacher screams ‘Allahu Akbar’ in policeman’s FACE and abuses him as crowd in Birmingham jeer the officer who somehow remains calm and refuses to arrest him


  • Preacher is highly agitated from the beginning as he defends himself
  • He accuses the woman who complained of coming up to him
  • Man refuses to listen to officer's reasoning and shouts in his face
  • He screams 'Allahu Akbar' saying he's afraid of no one but Allah
  • Crowd taunt policeman as he walks away, supporting the preacher
  • Do you know the preacher's identity? E-mail sam.tonkin@mailonline.co.uk
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Because it's a strawman Tom. Not condemning an entire religion because of a handful of the Middle East equivalent of Hillbillys is not the same as making excuses for terrorist.

He does hit the nail on the head. Education is they key. How many Arab States would fall if they only educated their masses to western standards? Gets complicated, doesn't it?

If anyone is to blame for the radicalism in the Middle East it is the ruling classes of many of those nations. By not educating their masses and retaining medieval social structures that keep large masses of their people uneducated and poor and frustrated and trapped in serfdom they create the breeding grounds for radicalization.

But if you educate the masses the ruling class position become untenable. How long do you think the house of Saud would last if they had modern public liberal arts education for the masses? Maybe as long as the oil does.

The problem in the ME is largely that the ruling classes have done little to advance their people and have kept vast numbers of people in ignorance and poverty. It has made them weak and vulnerable to the west. They also are well aware of that and loath themselves for it and resent the hell out of the west too. Fertile ground for raising radicals.
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Well Mott, getting the Middle East ruling class to sign off on liberals arts education for the masses would be a nifty trick lol. Particularly, when so much of ruling class are experts in Islam.

Any suggestions on how to go about that?
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Well Mott, getting the Middle East ruling class to sign off on liberals arts education for the masses would be a nifty trick lol. Particularly, when so much of ruling class are experts in Islam.

Any suggestions on how to go about that?
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Maybe some of those women gender study professors could be sent over there to teach them about deuxième vague feminism? I am sure that Darla would sign up in a New York minute!
 
Milagro said:
Yet there have been cases where the highly educated have become terrorists. Take the case of the 2007 attack at Glasgow Airport. One was a doctor and the other an engineer. So what motivated them? Oh and by the way, Pakistan and Afghanistan are not in the Middle East. Pakistan is probably the most worrying as it has a huge population and possesses nuclear weapons, lots of them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Glasgow_International_Airport_attack
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The highly educated ones are usually the exception and not the rule and much of what I said applies Afghanistan and Pakistan too. Look at the former Soviet Republics from Central Asia. Have you noted that they are not a source of Islamic radicalism? Why is that?
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Well Mott, getting the Middle East ruling class to sign off on liberals arts education for the masses would be a nifty trick lol. Particularly, when so much of ruling class are experts in Islam.

Any suggestions on how to go about that?
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Hell no other than stay out of the way when the Revolution comes as it probably will and it's probably going to get crazier too.

As the link Oncelier posted you have a huge generational difference in literacy between old and young. Many of the young will begin to fight the Status quo. Initially it will be religious extremist but as time goes by it will be the young and modernist who will drive change.
 
Milagro said:
Maybe some of those women gender study professors could be sent over there to teach them about deuxième vague feminism? I am sure that Darla would sign up in a New York minute!
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No...but gathering from your post they are still needed there in merry old England. ;)
 
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