A compromise on the ACA.

I said from day one that this act sucks and would only mean more expenses for the workers and jobs lost for many others. Since then, endless companies have dropped the numbers in their workforce or just entirely cut out insurance. Others, like myself and my wife, have seen our insurance premiums literally double. Others yet as we know were just dropped. The employers only responsibility is to their higher ups, and to share holders. They are not going to eat costs. They will pass along their increases to the consumer. And rightfully so from a business standpoint. They can't get the website properly working, and in places where it's running it's causing all kinds of issues and patients that needed attention had walked away from the emergency room. It's a lose-lose all around, unless you're on the receiving end of someone else paying your way of course.
 
I Love America said:
I have been saying this for years. The problem of free riders was created by government. That it was Reagan is of no consequence. It set up an issue of moral hazard and should be repealed.

I am OK with people dying. People die. That is part of life. My guess is that if they knew there was no fall back they would take out catastrophic coverage.

But, I also guess there would still be charity care as there has always been so people would get care.

I know you thought by bringing up Reagan you would create a scenario where rigties would be be loathe to criticize him and do everything to defend him. You probably thought you set an elaborate trap. I am sure there are lots of big Indian little Indian republicans who would oblige you.

But this independent won't take the bait.

BTW it is laughable beyond extreme that you think Obamacare is free market
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What caught my eye in your response was the line about charity care picking up the slack. That is the same nonsense babbled by Ron Paul before he bowed out of politics....which would have been met with pitch forks and torches by the residents of the states of Louisiana, New Jersey, etc. in the last few years of natural disasters.

Secondly, since the ACA in no way interferes with insurance companies competing for customers, why would you deem that the "free market" no longer exists for them?
 
You need to read more that Krauthhammer and listen to something other than Fox News or the folk on conservative talk radio. Here's a reality check that should help:


Obamacare Myths
Falsehoods about the Affordable Care Act are still swirling -- and the intensity of the claims is rising as the exchanges are set to launch.

Posted on September 16, 2013


http://www.factcheck.org/2013/09/obamacare-myths/
 
Taichiliberal said:
You need to read more that Krauthhammer and listen to something other than Fox News or the folk on conservative talk radio. Here's a reality check that should help:


Obamacare Myths
Falsehoods about the Affordable Care Act are still swirling -- and the intensity of the claims is rising as the exchanges are set to launch.

Posted on September 16, 2013


http://www.factcheck.org/2013/09/obamacare-myths/
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Happy New Year! Always good to see you!
 
Taichiliberal said:
What caught my eye in your response was the line about charity care picking up the slack. That is the same nonsense babbled by Ron Paul before he bowed out of politics....which would have been met with pitch forks and torches by the residents of the states of Louisiana, New Jersey, etc. in the last few years of natural disasters.

Secondly, since the ACA in no way interferes with insurance companies competing for customers, why would you deem that the "free market" no longer exists for them?
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The ACA sets a baseline set of benefits and eliminates a company's feedom to chose whether or not to issue a policy as well as restrictions on how a company manages its business. That absolutely interferes with companies ability to compete. Regulation is the antithesis of free market. How is it that you do not know this ?
 
Taichiliberal said:
You need to read more that Krauthhammer and listen to something other than Fox News or the folk on conservative talk radio. Here's a reality check that should help:


Obamacare Myths
Falsehoods about the Affordable Care Act are still swirling -- and the intensity of the claims is rising as the exchanges are set to launch.

Posted on September 16, 2013


http://www.factcheck.org/2013/09/obamacare-myths/
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Yes it is true that falsehoods are still swirling, trouble isthey are oming from the administration and it's political cronies.
 
Celticguy said:
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
What caught my eye in your response was the line about charity care picking up the slack. That is the same nonsense babbled by Ron Paul before he bowed out of politics....which would have been met with pitch forks and torches by the residents of the states of Louisiana, New Jersey, etc. in the last few years of natural disasters.

Secondly, since the ACA in no way interferes with insurance companies competing for customers, why would you deem that the "free market" no longer exists for them?
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The ACA sets a baseline set of benefits and eliminates a company's freedom to chose whether or not to issue a policy as well as restrictions on how a company manages its business. That absolutely interferes with companies ability to compete. Regulation is the antithesis of free market. How is it that you do not know this ?
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What precisely is this "baseline set of benefits" that is SO detrimental that it keeps companies from choosing what insurance company offers a better deal? What are insurance companies being saddled with that is so disasterous that they can't offer better deals than the other guy?
 
Celticguy said:
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
You need to read more that Krauthhammer and listen to something other than Fox News or the folk on conservative talk radio. Here's a reality check that should help:


Obamacare Myths
Falsehoods about the Affordable Care Act are still swirling -- and the intensity of the claims is rising as the exchanges are set to launch.

Posted on September 16, 2013


http://www.factcheck.org/2013/09/obamacare-myths/
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Yes it is true that falsehoods are still swirling, trouble isthey are oming from the administration and it's political cronies.
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If you can factually and logically refute one item from the link I provided, then do so. If not, then you're just stubbornly blowing the same smoke the conservative punditry has been for the last 2 years.
 
Celticguy said:
The ACA sets a baseline set of benefits and eliminates a company's feedom to chose whether or not to issue a policy as well as restrictions on how a company manages its business. That absolutely interferes with companies ability to compete. Regulation is the antithesis of free market. How is it that you do not know this ?
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Really? So the exchange were created to do..what?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Complete strawman. The purpose of requiring hospitals to treat all emergency patients is humanitarian. That even those who have no money deserve basic life saving medical care. If you don't support that requirement under Cobra than you do support denying these people basic life saving care, if they cannot pay, right?

Don't go wish washy on me here Grind.
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mott, this isn't some brain teaser for me. I fully support people that don't have any health insurance just being left to die. seriously this isn't even a tough call.
 
Taichiliberal said:
What caught my eye in your response was the line about charity care picking up the slack. That is the same nonsense babbled by Ron Paul before he bowed out of politics....which would have been met with pitch forks and torches by the residents of the states of Louisiana, New Jersey, etc. in the last few years of natural disasters.

Secondly, since the ACA in no way interferes with insurance companies competing for customers, why would you deem that the "free market" no longer exists for them?
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Charity care had ALWAYS picked up the slack. What do you think Catholic hospitals have done? You are a statist and ignorant of history.

There is ZERO competition in Obamacare. The government sets the standards of coverage. That is not a free market. You are uninformed, don't know how the free market works or lying. Which is it?
 
I Love America said:
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
What caught my eye in your response was the line about charity care picking up the slack. That is the same nonsense babbled by Ron Paul before he bowed out of politics....which would have been met with pitch forks and torches by the residents of the states of Louisiana, New Jersey, etc. in the last few years of natural disasters.

Secondly, since the ACA in no way interferes with insurance companies competing for customers, why would you deem that the "free market" no longer exists for them?
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Charity care had ALWAYS picked up the slack. What do you think Catholic hospitals have done? You are a statist and ignorant of history.

Who said charity never picked up the slack? I didn't. I merely pointed out that libertarian lunkheads like Ron Paul were spouting nonsense that agencies like FEMA were not necessary, and that charitable agencies would replace them. Like I said, try telling that to the states of Louisiana, New Jersey, etc. in the last few years of natural disasters. "Picking up the slack" means that AFTER someone else has done the major work...in this case government agencies. You eliminate those agencies, and there would be a hell of a lot more than just "slack" to pick up. Understand now?

There is ZERO competition in Obamacare. The government sets the standards of coverage. That is not a free market. You are uninformed, don't know how the free market works or lying. Which is it?
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Again, please demonstrate how there is "zero competition" in the free market of life insurance, because to date I haven't seen a lack of life/medical insurance commercials from various companies, nor has the various mailings to my parents offering various rates and such have stopped. You seem to be confusing "standards" with the word "denial". See it works like this; LAWS are passed through the congress & senate to "regulate" commerce (it's in the Constitution...look it up). And remember, the ACA's blueprint was drawn up by a conservative think tank and implemented by Gov. Mitt Romney (to a SUCCESS in his state). If what YOU say were true, then there would be NO PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANIES IN THE USA AT PRESENT. Clearly, that is not the case. Clearly, you're just stubbornly parroting right wing rhetoric without any proof.
 
1966stang said:
It is a fact....a person who is disputing it is denying reality. THAT is how that works.
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no...its just another liberal lie.....that's how it works.....

but I will give you a shot at it.....can you link me to a Republican health care plan from 1993 that was voted on and approved by Republicans?.......
 
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