A Crisis of Credibility [Controversy over RFK Jr.'s work]

Scott

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I know there are a -few- people here who question the Covid 19 vaccines, at least for children. John Leake, the author of this article I link to below is much more than simply -skeptical- of the Covid 19 vaccines, and it looks like he understands the feelings of people like me who think they should be banned as soon as possible. But he points out that many people still believe in these vaccines and thus RFK Jr's first focusing on chemicals in junk food. He also thinks that it would be better to first work on banning the Covid 19 vaccines for kids, as that is the weakest link of this vaccine program. Here is Leake's article:
www.thefocalpoints.com

A Crisis of Credibility

How to placate the growing impatience and disunity among Trump/RFK supporters.
www.thefocalpoints.com www.thefocalpoints.com

Quoting from his conclusion:
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Commissioner Makary should consider that there is no reason to wait and deliberate any longer. The data is clear. The COVID-19 shot has zero benefit for young people and has caused many to suffer innumerable harms and even death.

I believe that banning the COVID-19 vaccine for children would be widely perceived as a good start and it would placate at least some of the impatience and discord that we are now seeing among medical freedom advocates who supported President Trump and Secretary Kennedy.
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Scott said:
I know there are a -few- people here who question the Covid 19 vaccines, at least for children. John Leake, the author of this article I link to below is much more than simply -skeptical- of the Covid 19 vaccines, and it looks like he understands the feelings of people like me who think they should be banned as soon as possible. But he points out that many people still believe in these vaccines and thus RFK Jr's first focusing on chemicals in junk food. He also thinks that it would be better to first work on banning the Covid 19 vaccines for kids, as that is the weakest link of this vaccine program. Here is Leake's article:
www.thefocalpoints.com

A Crisis of Credibility

How to placate the growing impatience and disunity among Trump/RFK supporters.
www.thefocalpoints.com www.thefocalpoints.com

Quoting from his conclusion:
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Commissioner Makary should consider that there is no reason to wait and deliberate any longer. The data is clear. The COVID-19 shot has zero benefit for young people and has caused many to suffer innumerable harms and even death.

I believe that banning the COVID-19 vaccine for children would be widely perceived as a good start and it would placate at least some of the impatience and discord that we are now seeing among medical freedom advocates who supported President Trump and Secretary Kennedy.
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If someone still thinks the death stab is a good idea they need to be in a psych ward. Friends don't let friends get the death stab
 
Yakuda said:
If someone still thinks the death stab is a good idea they need to be in a psych ward. Friends don't let friends get the death stab
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My father said he thinks it's good. Thankfully, he only got one of them. Both he and I have friends who have gotten 3. Mine has died (at age 51), his is getting there.
 
gmark77 said:
When am I due to die from said "death stab"? I've had probably 6 of them by last count since 2020.
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You may find the following article interesting, just published today:
childrenshealthdefense.org

COVID Vaccines May Reduce Women’s Lifelong Egg Supply, Rat Study Suggests

Turkish researchers said the results of their study justify “further investigations into the vaccines’ effects on human ovarian reserve.” Experts said the study’s findings have “profound” implications for global fertility rates.
childrenshealthdefense.org childrenshealthdefense.org
 
gmark77 said:
Sorry for your loss.
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Thanks. I will say, he'd been sick for a while. He was a diabetic who drank soft drinks, among other questionable habits. I definitely think the covid vaccines -contributed- to his death, but I fully admit I'm not sure by how much. Anyway, there's plenty of evidence that covid vaccines caused a -lot- of deaths:
childrenshealthdefense.org

Vaccines Caused 17 Million Deaths During Pandemic Plus 4 More Takeaways From Largest Excess Mortality Study to Date

A years-long investigation by Canadian researchers into excess mortality during the COVID-19 pandemic found that patterns of excess death globally could not be explained by a pandemic respiratory virus. Here are the data and logic behind some of the key findings.
childrenshealthdefense.org childrenshealthdefense.org
 
Scott said:
Thanks. I will say, he'd been sick for a while. He was a diabetic who drank soft drinks, among other questionable habits. I definitely think the covid vaccines -contributed- to his death, but I fully admit I'm not sure by how much. Anyway, there's plenty of evidence that covid vaccines caused a -lot- of deaths:
childrenshealthdefense.org

Vaccines Caused 17 Million Deaths During Pandemic Plus 4 More Takeaways From Largest Excess Mortality Study to Date

A years-long investigation by Canadian researchers into excess mortality during the COVID-19 pandemic found that patterns of excess death globally could not be explained by a pandemic respiratory virus. Here are the data and logic behind some of the key findings.
childrenshealthdefense.org childrenshealthdefense.org
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Ya know, there's always a risk with all medicines. The COVID vaccine is no different. There are to be expected some potentially rare bad outcomes. I have not heard any legitimate scientific indicators that show the COVID vax was any more or less dangerous than most vaxxes. It was the product of over a decade of research but it appeared to us laypeople "suddenly", so people got scared. And it was clear we were dealing with a new disease so there were a lot of questions.

I didn't have that big of an issue in taking the shots but then I'm not immunocompromised and I'm relatively healthy.

And after watching my brother being intubated for a medical procedure not too long ago I am glad I took the shots.
 
gmark77 said:
Scott said:
Thanks. I will say, he'd been sick for a while. He was a diabetic who drank soft drinks, among other questionable habits. I definitely think the covid vaccines -contributed- to his death, but I fully admit I'm not sure by how much. Anyway, there's plenty of evidence that covid vaccines caused a -lot- of deaths:
childrenshealthdefense.org

Vaccines Caused 17 Million Deaths During Pandemic Plus 4 More Takeaways From Largest Excess Mortality Study to Date

A years-long investigation by Canadian researchers into excess mortality during the COVID-19 pandemic found that patterns of excess death globally could not be explained by a pandemic respiratory virus. Here are the data and logic behind some of the key findings.
childrenshealthdefense.org childrenshealthdefense.org
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Ya know, there's always a risk with all medicines. The COVID vaccine is no different. There are to be expected some potentially rare bad outcomes. I have not heard any legitimate scientific indicators that show the COVID vax was any more or less dangerous than most vaxxes. It was the product of over a decade of research but it appeared to us laypeople "suddenly", so people got scared. And it was clear we were dealing with a new disease so there were a lot of questions.

I didn't have that big of an issue in taking the shots but then I'm not immunocompromised and I'm relatively healthy.

And after watching my brother being intubated for a medical procedure not too long ago I am glad I took the shots.
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Well, do I have the article for -you- :-p. It's the one I linked to in the post you're responding to. The article, citing a study, says that the covid vaccines actually -caused- immunosuppression. My guess is that you didn't click on the link and you may not do so in the future, so I'll quote the first part of the article. The bit about immunosuppression is near the end of the quoted material below:
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A years-long investigation by Canadian researchers into excess mortality during the COVID-19 pandemic found that patterns of excess death globally could not be explained by a pandemic respiratory virus. Here are the data and logic behind some of the key findings.

by Brenda Baletti, Ph.D.
July 23, 2024

A major investigation by Canadian researchers into excess mortality during the COVID-19 pandemic found that patterns of excess death globally could not be explained by a pandemic respiratory virus, The Defender reported last week.

Instead, the authors concluded the major causes of death globally stemmed from the public health establishment’s response, including lockdowns, harmful medical interventions and the COVID-19 vaccines.

The study by researchers from the nonprofit Correlation Research in the Public Interest analyzed excess mortality in 125 countries — about 35% of the global population — during the COVID-19 pandemic, beginning with the March 11, 2020, World Health Organization (WHO) pandemic declaration and ending on May 5, 2023, when the WHO declared the pandemic over.

The investigation concluded that “nothing special would have occurred in terms of mortality had a pandemic not been declared and had the declaration not been acted upon.”

The 521-page analysis — by Denis Rancourt, Ph.D., former physics professor and lead scientist for 23 years at the University of Ottawa, Correlation’s president Joseph Hickey, Ph.D., and Christian Linard, Ph.D., from the University of Quebec at Trois-Rivières — was published July 19.

The paper builds on work Rancourt and his colleagues have been doing since the start of the pandemic tracking and analyzing all-cause mortality to understand the underlying dynamics of mortality during the pandemic.

Their findings led them to challenge dominant scientific models and public health claims used to inform pandemic response policies.

They have published a series of papers on COVID-19 and vaccination in places like India, Australia and Israel, the U.S., Canada and a larger study of 17 countries over the last several years, with this study bringing together that work and adding to it.

In addition to the overarching conclusions that deaths during the COVID-19 period were caused by public health interventions rather than by the SARS-CoV-2 virus, the authors provided a detailed contextualization of the data, explaining how such a large dataset could provide substantial insight into how these interventions led to excess mortality across the world.

Some of those key insights are detailed here.

Five takeaways from largest pandemic excess mortality study to date

1. Vaccines caused approximately 17 million deaths and vaccine toxicity increased with age and number of doses.

Based on their calculations and extrapolated to the world, the researchers estimated the vaccines caused approximately 17 million deaths, confirming the results of their previous research on a smaller data set.

That means vaccines were a primary cause of death, and they found that the vaccine dose fatality rate — the chances of dying from the vaccine — increased with age and with the number of doses.

Consistently, they found, that the more vaccine doses given, the greater the number of excess deaths. There are outliers, Rancourt said, but their graphs consistently showed this proportionality, even for countries that also had all-cause mortality peaks unrelated to the vaccines.

Rancourt told The Defender that they were able to essentially graph vaccine toxicity and that generally speaking, the boosters tended to be more associated with mortality.

“They’re more toxic, they’re more dangerous,” he said.

He added:

“That is a general trend that we see in all the data is that as you have higher and higher doses, the correlation with mortality is stronger and stronger and the peaks are more and more visibly associated. So as the assaults and all the reasons for dying at the beginning [lockdowns, medical interventions] taper off, then it becomes the vaccines that are more the killing agent.”

The researchers wrote that the mechanisms through which the vaccines caused death were complex.

One mechanism for lethality may be death by direct vaccine toxicity from, for example, cationic lipids. Alternatively, the injections could cause death by inducing an immune overreaction to the spike proteins.

Rancourt said they didn’t think those were the primary causes of vaccine-induced death, particularly given that excess deaths were so highly correlated to the boosters. Instead, he said, the initial and repeated injections likely weakened people’s immune systems.

Extensive scientific research has shown how such stressors weaken the immune system, causing a generalized immunosuppression that makes a person less able to fight existing or new infections of any kind, which can lead to death when it wouldn’t have occurred under normal circumstances, he said.
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Full article:
childrenshealthdefense.org

Vaccines Caused 17 Million Deaths During Pandemic Plus 4 More Takeaways From Largest Excess Mortality Study to Date

A years-long investigation by Canadian researchers into excess mortality during the COVID-19 pandemic found that patterns of excess death globally could not be explained by a pandemic respiratory virus. Here are the data and logic behind some of the key findings.
childrenshealthdefense.org childrenshealthdefense.org
 
Yakuda said:
The thing does nothing it claims to do.
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You're preaching to the choir with me. I go way past the covid vaccines though- I don't believe that -any- vaccine is helpful, other than perhaps a placebo effect. But I know that view isn't popular, so I'm fine with just talking about the covid vaccines.
 
Scott said:
You're preaching to the choir with me. I go way past the covid vaccines though- I don't believe that -any- vaccine is helpful, other than perhaps a placebo effect. But I know that view isn't popular, so I'm fine with just talking about the covid vaccines.
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I'm with you.

our children should be out eating dirt early in life.
 
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