A Few Words from Harry Truman Etc., Etc.
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Many people were involved in the genesis of the Internet. Vinton Cerf devised the Transmission Control Protocol (TCP) for instance.
Cerf’s protocol transformed the internet into a worldwide network. Throughout the 1980s, researchers and scientists used it to send files and data from one computer to another. However, in 1991 the internet changed again. .
That year, a British computer programmer in Switzerland named Tim Berners-Lee introduced the World Wide Web: an internet that was not simply a way to send files from one place to another but was itself a “web” of information that anyone on the Internet could retrieve. Berners-Lee created the Internet that we know today.
Many people were involved in the genesis of the Internet. Vinton Cerf devised the Transmission Control Protocol (TCP) for instance.
Cerf’s protocol transformed the internet into a worldwide network. Throughout the 1980s, researchers and scientists used it to send files and data from one computer to another. However, in 1991 the internet changed again. .
That year, a British computer programmer in Switzerland named Tim Berners-Lee introduced the World Wide Web: an internet that was not simply a way to send files from one place to another but was itself a “web” of information that anyone on the Internet could retrieve. Berners-Lee created the Internet that we know today.
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BattleofHodow
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Packet switching was a precursor to the internet & was invented for & by government purposes.
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The history of packet switching goes back to UK National Physical Laboratory (NPL). Donald Davies who was in charge of the Computer Science Department at NPL realised that a better way of sending data between computers than the circuit switched network. ... This was the first practical use of packet switching techniques. Have you heard of X.25, I'll bet not.
https://www.communicationsmuseum.org.uk/emuseum/packetswitching/
BattleofHodow
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Eh, not so fast...
A couple of people with roots in Poland in the USA developed it too... probably even earlier by Paul Baran & Stephen J. Lukasik.
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T. A. Gardner
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Well, let's see...
For postal service you have FedEx, UPS, DHL, etc., and they do a better job of delivery than the USPS...
Roads aren't socialized. They are paid for by taxes extracted mainly by those who use them.
Public school? Property taxes pay for that primarily. But given the shitty job many do of educating students, schools by subscription like charters or private schools might be a better way to go.
Police and fire are often by subscription too. That is you pay for this like you would any other service. There are also private security services and such available. It is also kind of hypocritical that police are mentioned given the "Defund the police" movement by the Left and Democrats...
Oh, in the bottom one the Veteran's Administration is mentioned. Again, not socialized medicine. You get that benefit for military service not automatically for just showing up. That's a contractual arrangement between employer (government / military and the individual that signed a contract for service). Women's suffrage is not socialized either. The Peace Corps is a job, nothing more. Minimum wage is not socialized, but just government fiat. Unemployment insurance is insurance paid for by employers and employees. We've always had weekends...
Then there's the socialized systems like social security that doesn't pay enough to let you retire without supplementing it, Medicare and Medicaid that cover only part of the bill, often only use crappy providers, limit services covered, and require supplemental insurance you pay for yourself to cover the rest, and of course, Obamacare that just is an added layer of idiocy that raises the cost of medical insurance...
Oh, and the government didn't "invent" the Internet either, they were just one contributor...
Bottom line, as always socialism sucks at what it does. That's why they're revolting in Cuba right now.
T. A. Gardner
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FDR didn't "rescue" the nation from the Great Depression, WW 2 did. In fact, during FDR's first term in office the depression got worse.
https://mises.org/library/how-fdr-made-depression-worse
https://igeek.com/FDR:_1930_-_Depression,_First_Term_and_the_New_Deal
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB123353276749137485
The middle class in America existed long before FDR took office. The minimum wage wasn't passed until 1938, well into FDR's second term and really had little effect on the economy or wages as by that point the US was experiencing a labor shortage, due to huge increases in defense spending and production, and two years later wage and price controls were imposed on the nation by FDR. It would be these that led to the introduction of widespread employer paid health insurance and other non-wage benefits for workers, not anything mandated by FDR or the government. Instead, these were workarounds to incentivize workers to take jobs with employers in lieu of higher wages.
As for elderly poverty, that still exists today and in good part because of Social Security.
So, the retards at Occupy Democrats, as usual, are a bunch of historical illiterates who don't know what the fuck they're talking about. If I were you 50USA, I'd find another source that is reliable rather than post up crap from a Leftist group that doesn't know their elbow from their asshole.
https://mises.org/library/how-fdr-made-depression-worse
https://igeek.com/FDR:_1930_-_Depression,_First_Term_and_the_New_Deal
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB123353276749137485
The middle class in America existed long before FDR took office. The minimum wage wasn't passed until 1938, well into FDR's second term and really had little effect on the economy or wages as by that point the US was experiencing a labor shortage, due to huge increases in defense spending and production, and two years later wage and price controls were imposed on the nation by FDR. It would be these that led to the introduction of widespread employer paid health insurance and other non-wage benefits for workers, not anything mandated by FDR or the government. Instead, these were workarounds to incentivize workers to take jobs with employers in lieu of higher wages.
As for elderly poverty, that still exists today and in good part because of Social Security.
So, the retards at Occupy Democrats, as usual, are a bunch of historical illiterates who don't know what the fuck they're talking about. If I were you 50USA, I'd find another source that is reliable rather than post up crap from a Leftist group that doesn't know their elbow from their asshole.
PostmodernProphet
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so lib'ruls romance with socialism has been going on a long, long time......
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So? Moonshi'ite is not Welsh either but it pretends to be American for some reason.
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I met him. He worked for DARPA. That is a government program that threw money at projects that were moon shots. Many of those projects made no sense in the short or medium term. Many of those projects never made any sense. But it was well worth throwing government money at projects that could pay off hugely in the future. Other countries are desperately trying to imitate the DARPA America 50's, 60's, and 70's... We still have a bit of it, but Republicans really did serious damage to it starting in the 80's.
I know him too, and his wife. The second wife, never met the first wife. He is British left wing, so outside the normal political spectrum of Americans.
Anyway, he was working for CERN, which is the European joint physics research project. He not only worked for a government agency, he worked for a multi-government agency. He was allowed to work on projects that had no immediate value. For the first year of the WWW, all the websites were created by and for a single individual, Tim himself.
Republicans are actively trying to destroy our equivalent of CERN, and our working with CERN. They also support the British breaking out of CERN, as the British have left the EU. Basically, again they are trying to destroy a great good that government has done.
Do you quibble about everything? FDR set up policies that had a great impact on the economy like the CCC,CWA,NIRA, and Soc, Sec.
The PWA built the Lincoln Tunnel
Bankhead tunnel
Detroit Sewage disposal proj
Key West overseas hwTruboriygh Brudge
Bourne tunnel
Sagamore Tunnel
Fr. Peck dam
Hoover Grand Coulee
Pensacola dam
Mansfield Dam
Tim Miller dam
Upper Mississippi locks and dams
And they improved or built about a hundred airports.
All those projects triggered a multiplier effect in the economy.
Rightys are so easily fooled because they want to believe so badly.
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Thank a Democrat for all of it.
Nobody under 40 will see it, so no. Fuck you, give me my money back.
Geeko Sportivo
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TCP was created back during the days when packet switching was used by the DOD and it became popular in France. The vendor world was demanding an Open Systems Network and the world wanted in on the proposed internet, so TCP/IP was created which became the Protocol for the Internet.
The Internet started out as an INTRANET for the DOD!
It was all created using only class A addresses, but was eventually expanded to the public and then became a World Effort by allowing connections through class B and C addresses!
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You could also be dead before that. Life is a crap shoot there are no guarantees on anything. Here today, gone tomorrow.
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That's not a fucking justification to take my money you bitch.
Sure it is, you're just not smart enough to know it.
T. A. Gardner
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Do you really want another smackdown for that list?
We could start with the Key West overseas highway... That was state spending and then defense spending. The US Navy in particular wanted a reliable road out to Key West for defense purposes. The US Army wanted it likewise for coast defense.
The Lincoln Tunnel wasn't built by the PWA, it only funded part of it, and the Tunnel project itself pre-dates the PWA in engineering, design, and even some construction. It would have been built eventually with or without federal funding.
Yep, quibbling. States did contribute but the main financer was the US govt,
It would have been built without fed funding? You actually typed that? Let's see some proof that you demand from others.
so how many were made before FDR? Why it was zero. How many were made during? Every flucking one of them.
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