A FREE and Democratic Venezuela is at hand.........

So what would you call it?
What arresting people who are indicted for crimes in the US? What did they call it when they got Noriega? I mean, that was a full invasion into Panama to get Noriega. Like 20,000 troops, etc.

Parallels: Both were indicted on drug charges. Both had a dictator that the US didn't recognize as the legitimate leader.

Interesting Courts upheld Noriega's conviction, even through the controversy.

Differences: Trump, foolishly IMHO, suggested the US would "run Venezuela" for a bit.
 
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What arresting people who are indicted for crimes in the US? What did they call it when they got Noriega? I mean, that was a full invasion into Panama to get Noriega. Like 20,000 troops, etc.

Parallels: Both were indicted on drug charges. Both had a dictator that the US didn't recognize as the legitimate leader.

Interesting Courts upheld Noriega's conviction, even through the controversy.

Differences: Trump, foolishly IMHO, suggested the US would "run Venezuela" for a bit.
So, hypothetically, if say China decided that the leader of India broke a law in China, let’s say smuggling goods out of China, it would be acceptable for China to abduct the Indian leader?
 
So, hypothetically, if say China decided that the leader of India broke a law in China, let’s say smuggling goods out of China, it would be acceptable for China to abduct the Indian leader?
If we go by the past, we'd puff and moan and the arrest would stand. Shoot, China abducts leaders of other nations (Panchen Lama) and puts them in reeducation camps. We "huff and puff" and make the microphone make noises... but nothing changes.

So, going by the past, yes. Just like with Noriega in the end, it was all legal, upheld by the courts and everything.
 
What arresting people who are indicted for crimes in the US? What did they call it when they got Noriega? I mean, that was a full invasion into Panama to get Noriega. Like 20,000 troops, etc.

Parallels: Both were indicted on drug charges. Both had a dictator that the US didn't recognize as the legitimate leader.

Interesting Courts upheld Noriega's conviction, even through the controversy.

Differences: Trump, foolishly IMHO, suggested the US would "run Venezuela" for a bit.
Panama and were at war when the US took him out, and it was Noriega who declared it, so trying to equate the two is just TDS. Do better.
 
If we go by the past, we'd puff and moan and the arrest would stand. Shoot, China abducts leaders of other nations (Panchen Lama) and puts them in reeducation camps. We "huff and puff" and make the microphone make noises... but nothing changes.

So, going by the past, yes. Just like with Noriega in the end, it was all legal, upheld by the courts and everything.
During the early 1970s, Noriega's relationship with the U.S. intelligence services was regularized. The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) placed him on its payroll in 1971, while he held his position as head of Panamanian intelligence; he had previously been paid by U.S. intelligence services on a case-by-case basis
 
If we go by the past, we'd puff and moan and the arrest would stand. Shoot, China abducts leaders of other nations (Panchen Lama) and puts them in reeducation camps. We "huff and puff" and make the microphone make noises... but nothing changes.

So, going by the past, yes. Just like with Noriega in the end, it was all legal, upheld by the courts and everything.
You are missing the point, it is a weak argument that you are doing it “legally,” serving a warrant, “bringing him in,” what one nation’s courts decide doesn’t automatically apply everywhere. He wasn’t arrested, he was snatched

I don’t care about Maduro, world is probably better place without him, but the question becomes was it all done according to the Constitution, is the precedent now set that any President, without word to Congress or anyone, simply use US forces to abduct anyone in the world whenever he sees fit
 
So, hypothetically, if say China decided that the leader of India broke a law in China, let’s say smuggling goods out of China, it would be acceptable for China to abduct the Indian leader?
so you just want symbolic gestures - like 25 million dollar bounties on their heads?

that is ok. we can do that - but don't actually carry it out.

is that your policy here?
 
so you just want symbolic gestures - like 25 million dollar bounties on their heads?

that is ok. we can do that - but don't actually carry it out.

is that your policy here?
What the hell are you talking about?

So putting a bounty on ones head makes it totally acceptable for a President to abduct anyone from anywhere anytime he wants? That’s a hell of a precedent to set, and once again, perfect display of Trump shitting on his Congress again
 
What the hell are you talking about?

So putting a bounty on ones head makes it totally acceptable for a President to abduct anyone from anywhere anytime he wants? That’s a hell of a precedent to set, and once again, perfect display of Trump shitting on his Congress again
So putting a bounty on their heads is ok to you - why is that ok, but taking the action the bounty calls for is a bridge too far?

make this make sense.

if someone killed him - would you of paid the 25 million? how is that not the very same act of war?

and now the country is leaderless due to the bounty incentive - what now?
 
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