A new era dawns in relations with China

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The head of the Business Roundtable, a trade group of the nation’s largest companies, called on the incoming Biden administration to start rolling back tariffs as part of a new round of trade negotiations between the U.S. and China.

“Unwinding the tariffs, especially with China, shouldn’t be a unilateral act,” said Josh Bolten, the BRT’s chief executive. “It should be an opening to begin a serious negotiation that the Trump administration attempted but in many respects made difficult through overly aggressive measures.”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/busine...n-to-ease-trumps-tariffs-on-china-11605645347
 
Asia-Pacific Allies Sign Huge Trade Deal With China

President-elect Joe Biden said Monday the United States must align itself with China.

He was replying to a reporter's question on whether the U.S. should join a major trade deal, the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership, that 15 Asia-Pacific countries signed on Sunday.

RCEP unites China, Japan and South Korea in a trade deal for the first time and includes 10 Southeast Asian countries plus Australia and New Zealand.

That leaves the U.S., with the largest economy, and India, the largest democracy, on the sidelines of one of the world's biggest trading blocs — even as China deepens trade and investment partnerships in the region and worldwide.

RCEP members' combined 2.2 billion people make up almost a third of the world's population, and a similar share of the global economy and trade, according to the Association of Southeast Asian Nations or ASEAN.

The Peterson Institute for International Economics estimates the new deal could potentially grow the global economy by an annual $186 billion.

President Barack Obama championed the trans-Pacific trade pact as a hedge against China writing the global trade rules for the 21st century.

But within days of taking office, Trump pulled the U.S. out of the deal, and went on to impose tariffs on trading partners and kicked off a trade war with China.







https://www.npr.org/2020/11/17/9353...e-trade-deal-with-china-while-u-s-sits-it-out
 
Biden Transition Team said:
President-elect Joe Biden said Monday the United States must align itself with China.
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Why? What is in that for the US? In large scale geo-political terms aligning with China is likely a very big mistake. It'd be better to align with other nations in the region like Japan, Korea, and Taiwan along with India and Russia than aligning with China. That would put the Chinese in more of a bind and prevent their becoming a hegemony in Asia. Aligning with China tacitly gives them the S. China Sea by default. That would be a huge mistake on its own.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Why? What is in that for the US? In large scale geo-political terms aligning with China is likely a very big mistake. It'd be better to align with other nations in the region like Japan, Korea, and Taiwan along with India and Russia than aligning with China. That would put the Chinese in more of a bind and prevent their becoming a hegemony in Asia. Aligning with China tacitly gives them the S. China Sea by default. That would be a huge mistake on its own.
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Aligning w/ china would essentially be a capitulation but is that inevitable @ this late date??

China, short of a war, will be the biggest economy in the world soon.........

This deal gives them about a third of the world GDP under their hegemony....... It won't be the USA setting the rules & standards there..........

While trump blustered he did little to change the economic trajectory & w/ the go it alone, fuck our allies etc he likely made it easier for China..........

While we warred in the ME a monster grew in east asia.........
 
Bill said:
Aligning w/ china would essentially be a capitulation but is that inevitable @ this late date??

China, short of a war, will be the biggest economy in the world soon.........

This deal gives them about a third of the world GDP under their hegemony....... It won't be the USA setting the rules & standards there..........

While trump blustered he did little to change the economic trajectory & w/ the go it alone, fuck our allies etc he likely made it easier for China..........

While we warred in the ME a monster grew in east asia.........
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Well then roll over and prepare to get arse raped by Xi and his gang, is Taiwan next? I don't take any pleasure in saying that I predicted all of this, maybe SloJo will appoint Hunter as US ambassador?
 
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Grajonca said:
Well then roll over and prepare to get arse raped by Xi and his gang, is Taiwan next? I don't take any pleasure in saying that predicted all of this, maybe SloJo will appoint Hunter as US ambassador?
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Sure you do...:laugh: there was no reason to mention it otherwise........ You aren't the only one so don't be to quick to pat yourself on the back next time.......lol

Anyway the deal w/ ASEAN pretty much tops off the cake, our cake.......

Personally I see no way to prevent the rise of CHina~ & the slow sinking of the west...........

Short of war..
 
Bill said:
Sure you do...:laugh: there was no reason to mention it otherwise........ You aren't the only one so don't be to quick to pat yourself on the back next time.......lol

Anyway the deal w/ ASEAN pretty much tops off the cake, our cake.......

Personally I see no way to prevent the rise of CHina~ & the slow sinking of the west...........

Short of war..
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That maybe true but you don't have to vote for somebody that will make China the overlord a certainty.
 
Biden Transition Team said:
The head of the Business Roundtable, a trade group of the nation’s largest companies, called on the incoming Biden administration to start rolling back tariffs as part of a new round of trade negotiations between the U.S. and China.

“Unwinding the tariffs, especially with China, shouldn’t be a unilateral act,” said Josh Bolten, the BRT’s chief executive. “It should be an opening to begin a serious negotiation that the Trump administration attempted but in many respects made difficult through overly aggressive measures.”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/busine...n-to-ease-trumps-tariffs-on-china-11605645347
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Who is the head of this China Business Round table, Hunter Biden? :laugh:

 
Bill said:
Aligning w/ china would essentially be a capitulation but is that inevitable @ this late date??

China, short of a war, will be the biggest economy in the world soon.........

This deal gives them about a third of the world GDP under their hegemony....... It won't be the USA setting the rules & standards there..........

While trump blustered he did little to change the economic trajectory & w/ the go it alone, fuck our allies etc he likely made it easier for China..........

While we warred in the ME a monster grew in east asia.........
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You don't have to be the largest economy or producer to be competitive. You need to read something like

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https://www.amazon.com/Competitive-Advantage-Nations-Michael-Porter/dp/0684841479

Just because China produces or consumes more doesn't mean the US, Europe, or whoever has to go into decline by comparison. The US doesn't have to set the rules or standards there and it doesn't mean that China will be able unilaterally to set them for the rest of the world.

On a geo-political / military strength angle, the world normally has seen two or three super-powers dominate throughout history. This is where we're headed once again. Post WW 2 it was the US vs. Soviet Union (each with allies etc.) for almost half a century. Now it's becoming the US vs. China, with possibly a third player coming out of Europe / Russia that aligns with one or the other. India is another rising power but will remain a regional one for quite some time.
One thing China to date hasn't been able to really pull off is gaining allies. Their foreign policy attempts in this area have mostly been rather amateurish and off-putting to those they've tried to sell foreign aid to. Look at the S. China Sea situation. They've managed to piss off every nation around its peripheral.

If Biden kowtows to them for some short term gain--and he certainly could to enrich himself since we know he's done that before--then the US gets screwed so one senile old rich politician and his family can live large. We'd be far better off with Trump than that situation.
 
Bill said:
Aligning w/ china would essentially be a capitulation but is that inevitable @ this late date??

China, short of a war, will be the biggest economy in the world soon.........

This deal gives them about a third of the world GDP under their hegemony....... It won't be the USA setting the rules & standards there..........

While trump blustered he did little to change the economic trajectory & w/ the go it alone, fuck our allies etc he likely made it easier for China..........

While we warred in the ME a monster grew in east asia.........
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China's economy is a house of cards at this point. It won't be the world's largest economy for long.
 
Bill said:
Sure you do...:laugh: there was no reason to mention it otherwise........ You aren't the only one so don't be to quick to pat yourself on the back next time.......lol

Anyway the deal w/ ASEAN pretty much tops off the cake, our cake.......

Personally I see no way to prevent the rise of CHina~ & the slow sinking of the west...........

Short of war..
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The sinking of the West might be inevitable, but it's not really China that is set to rise for the long term. India will more likely be that nation.
 
Bill said:
Sure you do...:laugh: there was no reason to mention it otherwise........ You aren't the only one so don't be to quick to pat yourself on the back next time.......lol

Anyway the deal w/ ASEAN pretty much tops off the cake, our cake.......

Personally I see no way to prevent the rise of CHina~ & the slow sinking of the west...........

Short of war..
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That's coming sadly, Japan is beefing up its military to counter the Chinese threat. Maybe there should be an Asian version of NATO to counter the Yellow Peril?
 
Biden Transition Team said:
President-elect Joe Biden said Monday the United States must align itself with China.

He was replying to a reporter's question on whether the U.S. should join a major trade deal, the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership, that 15 Asia-Pacific countries signed on Sunday.
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OMFG
Biden is such a dumbass. Large trade blocks mean the US loses it sovereignty , and corporate lawyers run trade.

If Biden had a brain he'd continue bi-lateral negotiations which were paying off.
He doesn't so he wont
 
Saudade said:
The sinking of the West might be inevitable, but it's not really China that is set to rise for the long term. India will more likely be that nation.
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China is much more powerful then India
Trump was working to peel away India from China -using the Kashmir border war as the fulcrum

But you are correct in that the way to check China is to partner with India as much as possible
 
T. A. Gardner said:
If Biden kowtows to them for some short term gain--and he certainly could to enrich himself since we know he's done that before--then the US gets screwed so one senile old rich politician and his family can live large. We'd be far better off with Trump than that situation.
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Trump ran on checking China . Biden ran on undoing Trump -see where that goes?
 
Grajonca said:
That's coming sadly, Japan is beefing up its military to counter the Chinese threat. Maybe there should be an Asian version of NATO to counter the Yellow Peril?
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I dont think Japan and Vietnam want to go that far. we do have security agreements with both
 
dukkha said:
I dont think Japan and Vietnam want to go that far. we do have security agreements with both
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They want leverage in their negotiations with China but once we officially abandon Taiwan there will be little mileage in "We have this agreement with America".
 
Hawkeye10 said:
They want leverage in their negotiations with China but once we officially abandon Taiwan there will be little mileage in "We have this agreement with America".
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dont think we will -although Biden is soo obsequious towards China, it's possible
 
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