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[Taichiliberal]

And of course, here's a little reminder of what's being left out of the conversation; that rainforests are responsible for about what, damn near 30% of the world's CO2 to oxygen exchange:

http://www.amazonrainforestnews.com/2009/11/forest-co2-projects-could-bring-brazil.html

http://www.rainforestcoalition.org/eng/context/index.php

 

[Canceled2]

Ice Dancer........do you mean it is possible that the warming/cooling trends are cyclic and aren't really affected by man's contributions? Are you really seriously suggesting this? Wow. Who'd have thunk it?

Amazing isn't it! I mean who'd a thunk it?

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Probably coming from the opposite end of political spectrum, but I think we should try to implement personal responsibility to recycle, reuse, and reduce. I think as a country we should develop other sources of energy, both economically friendly and just alternatives to foreign sources.

Truth is, the jury really is out about mankind's effect on the environment, but can't see any harm done by making changes that may help clean things up. On the other hand, carbon exchanges and such, well that would have a very bad effect on the economy.

Herein lies the rub. Once you've conceded that we should "do something", the liberals take that "inch" and it magically becomes a "mile" overnight. Next thing you know, the Energy Czar is in your living room, telling you where to set your thermostat! These people know no bounds! There is no reasonable limit on the amount of authority and control they wish to have over your everyday life. It's a mistake to even admit that we need to do anything, regarding climate or the environment, because the insane people on the left, just don't know how to stop themselves from being insane with it.

 

[Onceler]

Herein lies the rub. Once you've conceded that we should "do something", the liberals take that "inch" and it magically becomes a "mile" overnight. Next thing you know, the Energy Czar is in your living room, telling you where to set your thermostat! These people know no bounds! There is no reasonable limit on the amount of authority and control they wish to have over your everyday life. It's a mistake to even admit that we need to do anything, regarding climate or the environment, because the insane people on the left, just don't know how to stop themselves from being insane with it.

Dixie just articulated very well the problem with a lot of conservatives today. "Environmentalism" has come to be seen as a "liberal" cause, and, as a result, quite a few conservatives take a knee-jerk approach to common sense measures that promote green technology.

Protecting the planet has become a partisan fight, and - though those on the extreme left take it too far - conservatives are clearly on the wrong side...

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Dixie
Herein lies the rub. Once you've conceded that we should "do something", the liberals take that "inch" and it magically becomes a "mile" overnight. Next thing you know, the Energy Czar is in your living room, telling you where to set your thermostat! These people know no bounds! There is no reasonable limit on the amount of authority and control they wish to have over your everyday life. It's a mistake to even admit that we need to do anything, regarding climate or the environment, because the insane people on the left, just don't know how to stop themselves from being insane with it.

Dixie just articulated very well the problem with a lot of conservatives today. "Environmentalism" has come to be seen as a "liberal" cause, and, as a result, quite a few conservatives take a knee-jerk approach to common sense measures that promote green technology.

Protecting the planet has become a partisan fight, and - though those on the extreme left take it too far - conservatives are clearly on the wrong side...

Reminds me of when acid rain was first on the national debate. You had industrial reps stating, "yeah, well until you can prove it was material from my particular smoke stacks, I don't have to adhere to mandates to up grade filitration on my plant operations".

In effect, the greedy little bastards were admitting to the existence of acid and rain and it's cause...they just REFUSED to be held accountable.

Willfully ignorant dupes like we see on these boards would be ardently defending that mind set then, as they are now with the global warming issue. It's sad, because they seem to consistently support people who are acting AGAINST their best interest.

 

[Atticus]

Probably coming from the opposite end of political spectrum, but I think we should try to implement personal responsibility to recycle, reuse, and reduce. I think as a country we should develop other sources of energy, both economically friendly and just alternatives to foreign sources.

Truth is, the jury really is out about mankind's effect on the environment, but can't see any harm done by making changes that may help clean things up. On the other hand, carbon exchanges and such, well that would have a very bad effect on the economy.

I agree with that as well, especially in rural areas without recycling resources easily reached.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Yes, it's Junior High level science, I don't know why liberals can't understand it. Carbon dioxide is vital to plant life, and we produce carbon dioxide which the plants 'breathe' and they produce oxygen and nitrogen for us to breathe. It's all a part of our balanced nature, and no... I don't think man's minuscule contributions to residual carbon dioxide is effecting the balance of the climate, nothing in science or historical data supports that belief. There isn't really a "natural balance" of carbon dioxide, there never has been! Early Earth had a much higher concentration of carbon dioxide, and it obviously didn't upset the natural balances, because we are here now! Earth is a pretty resilient place, it has the capacity to compensate and adapt to change, and it's largely self-cleaning.

I am all with you on fossil fuels, if for no other reason than, we need to be energy independent and not in the pocket of the Saudi's! I don't think we have any 'shortage' of fossil fuels, there is enough untapped under America, to provide energy for generations to come. But this has nothing to do with Global Warming, and the alarmist theories that CO2 is somehow destroying the planet. That is a ridiculous and absurd assessment, and we now discover, it is also rooted in fraudulent science.

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[Atticus]

And of course, here's a little reminder of what's being left out of the conversation; that rainforests are responsible for about what, damn near 30% of the world's CO2 to oxygen exchange:

http://www.amazonrainforestnews.com/2009/11/forest-co2-projects-could-bring-brazil.html

http://www.rainforestcoalition.org/eng/context/index.php

Yes that is part of the area in which the balances of nature will be affected. We need to take steps to save the forests now and direct human expansion elsewhere...or slow it down.

 

[Don Quixote]

i wonder how they pass off the shrinking polar ice caps and rising sea level

i suspect as just another natural cycle that no one can do anything about...

oat, maybe the increasing co2 will stave off the coming ice age...

 

[Canceled2]

i wonder how they pass off the shrinking polar ice caps and rising sea level

i suspect as just another natural cycle that no one can do anything about...

oat, maybe the increasing co2 will stave off the coming ice age...

ICE is expanding in much of Antarctica, contrary to the widespread public belief that global warming is melting the continental ice cap.

The results of ice-core drilling and sea ice monitoring indicate there is no large-scale melting of ice over most of Antarctica, although experts are concerned at ice losses on the continent's western coast.

Antarctica has 90 per cent of the Earth's ice and 80 per cent of its fresh water. Extensive melting of Antarctic ice sheets would be required to raise sea levels substantially, and ice is melting in parts of west Antarctica. The destabilisation of the Wilkins ice shelf generated international headlines this month.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Dixie just articulated very well the problem with a lot of conservatives today. "Environmentalism" has come to be seen as a "liberal" cause, and, as a result, quite a few conservatives take a knee-jerk approach to common sense measures that promote green technology.

Protecting the planet has become a partisan fight, and - though those on the extreme left take it too far - conservatives are clearly on the wrong side...

Environmentalism IS a "liberal cause" You got that part correct! And as a "liberal cause" you liberals will not rest until you've sucked every ounce of life out of our economy, to fund some bird-brain notion that our very breath, is destroying the planet, and needs to be regulated! It's never good enough that some conservatives and moderates go along with you on cleaning up our act, trying to find ways to become energy independent, or encouraging new technologies. You want to parlay that into more! You just take whatever little credibility the 'right' might give you, and run with it... to the outer reaches of insanity and beyond!

Most average people, left or right, are not up to speed on climatology. We know what little we learned in public school, and we know what we hear reported on TV, and by people like Al Gore. So, a lot of people take all this in, and they think like Annie, or like I once did, that we should do all we can to clean up the planet... but then the "liberal cause" can't be satisfied... there is nothing left to fight for! We have to do more than 'clean up the planet' we have to SAVE the planet from certain doom! And it just so happens to go against our conservative core values in every way, and must be done by destroying capitalism and enterprise, and instilling institutions of liberal socialist government control over us all! THAT is the ONLY way to solve the crisis! Liberals won't have it any other way, because it IS a "liberal cause!"

 

[ib1yysguy]

only a liberal would be stupid enough to claim this has been the hottest decade on record.......we're still 1.5 degrees cooler than the peak we reached 125,000 years ago according to the RECORDED ice core data shown above.....

Idiot, the article says explicitly it has been the highest since the 1850s (the start of the industrial revolution) when RECORDED temperatures began getting RECORDED by SCIENTISTS.

Ice core temperatures go back long before RECORDED history.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Idiot, the article says explicitly it has been the highest since the 1850s (the start of the industrial revolution) when RECORDED temperatures began getting RECORDED by SCIENTISTS.

Ice core temperatures go back long before RECORDED history.

so, since the ice core temperatures prove you are an idiot we need to ignore them......just for the sake of argument, of course.....let me speculate a bit.....were the ice core samples taken by scientists?......was the data recorded by scientists?.......were they actually records of temperatures?......are the 1850s actually an arbitrary and meaningless benchmark for the measurement of temperatures?......are our current temperatures by no means warmer than we could logically anticipate, given the cyclical patterns of earth's history?.......if you successfully answered all those questions with a yes you are well on track toward recognizing your argument as merit-less......

 

[Onceler]

Environmentalism IS a "liberal cause" You got that part correct! And as a "liberal cause" you liberals will not rest until you've sucked every ounce of life out of our economy, to fund some bird-brain notion that our very breath, is destroying the planet, and needs to be regulated! It's never good enough that some conservatives and moderates go along with you on cleaning up our act, trying to find ways to become energy independent, or encouraging new technologies. You want to parlay that into more! You just take whatever little credibility the 'right' might give you, and run with it... to the outer reaches of insanity and beyond!

Most average people, left or right, are not up to speed on climatology. We know what little we learned in public school, and we know what we hear reported on TV, and by people like Al Gore. So, a lot of people take all this in, and they think like Annie, or like I once did, that we should do all we can to clean up the planet... but then the "liberal cause" can't be satisfied... there is nothing left to fight for! We have to do more than 'clean up the planet' we have to SAVE the planet from certain doom! And it just so happens to go against our conservative core values in every way, and must be done by destroying capitalism and enterprise, and instilling institutions of liberal socialist government control over us all! THAT is the ONLY way to solve the crisis! Liberals won't have it any other way, because it IS a "liberal cause!"

I love this. It's basically the reason that a lot of conservatives have staked out a position that is largely perceived as "anti-earth." That's a real winner.

It's also a startling admission. It reminds me of the time Rush admitted that he was "carrying water" for the GOP all those years. It's a total credibility nosedive.

Because your position isn't based on the merit of any arguments, or on science, or anything else. It's based only on what the liberals are for, and the idea that you must be against whatever they are for.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

I love this. It's basically the reason that a lot of conservatives have staked out a position that is largely perceived as "anti-earth."

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But it's actually pro-human. *shrug*

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

I love this. It's basically the reason that a lot of conservatives have staked out a position that is largely perceived as "anti-earth." That's a real winner.

It's also a startling admission. It reminds me of the time Rush admitted that he was "carrying water" for the GOP all those years. It's a total credibility nosedive.

Because your position isn't based on the merit of any arguments, or on science, or anything else. It's based only on what the liberals are for, and the idea that you must be against whatever they are for.

No, it's based on the fact that liberals are idiots who don't know what the fuck they are talking about, and just spew absolute bullshit and try to make us believe they do!

The Climate Change debate is a prime example of liberal stupidity on full display! You don't have the science to support your argument, you've been shown where the very premise of your argument contradicts logic and common sense, and fails a middle school test of scientific knowledge, yet you want to continue finding ways to twist the argument into a political thing... I'm a rightie and you're a lefty, and the only reason I oppose you is because you are liberal! ....NO, the reason I oppose you is because you're an IDIOT!

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

But it's actually pro-human. *shrug*

It's also the true "GREEN" position. On behalf of every PLANT on the planet, if they could speak, they would say... GIVE US MORE CO2!

 

[Onceler]

No, it's based on the fact that liberals are idiots who don't know what the fuck they are talking about, and just spew absolute bullshit and try to make us believe they do!

The Climate Change debate is a prime example of liberal stupidity on full display! You don't have the science to support your argument, you've been shown where the very premise of your argument contradicts logic and common sense, and fails a middle school test of scientific knowledge, yet you want to continue finding ways to twist the argument into a political thing... I'm a rightie and you're a lefty, and the only reason I oppose you is because you are liberal! ....NO, the reason I oppose you is because you're an IDIOT!

Nah; you know it makes economic & national security sense to accelerate the development of domestics & green tech. But you'll still oppose efforts to do so, because they're "liberal" ideas.

And you'll even try to do some tapdance about how plants want MORE industrial revolution, because they were really hurting before that...

 

[Annie]

I just wish the 'warmers' and the 'deniers' could reach a bit of agreement:

1. It's warmer than previously, not much, but warmer.
2. It's been warmer than now, though maybe only in the medieval warming period, which was wrongfully attempted to be ignored.
3. Man may or may not have anything to do with the warming, science should attempt to discern, in an honest and open manner. The jury IS still out on the culpability of mankind's effect.

 

[ib1yysguy]

so, since the ice core temperatures prove you are an idiot we need to ignore them......just for the sake of argument, of course.....let me speculate a bit.....were the ice core samples taken by scientists?......was the data recorded by scientists?.......were they actually records of temperatures?......are the 1850s actually an arbitrary and meaningless benchmark for the measurement of temperatures?......are our current temperatures by no means warmer than we could logically anticipate, given the cyclical patterns of earth's history?.......if you successfully answered all those questions with a yes you are well on track toward recognizing your argument as merit-less......

God you're so retarded.

Yes they're records of temperatures. Comparing this decade to ice sore samples of air trapped back when man was still in the trees was not the point of the article/scientific finding. The point was that this is the hottest decade since the current warming trend began. (Which, by the way, eviscerates every single idiot who has continually posted some editorial bit from some geologist somewhere trying to claim that this decade has exposed a cooling trend).

And cyclical patterns can't account for the unprecedented speed at which the earth is presently warming. The SCIENCE shows that what accounts for that is human contributions to atmospheric greenhouse gasses.