A question for anti-choicers

PostmodernProphet said:
I approach the issue from a scientific and legal basis....there is no non-arbitrary basis upon which to deny the unborn the same rights available to a birthed child.....therefore the attempt to deprive them of equal protection under the law violates the constitution.....
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Cognitive ability.

And, as if picking by species would be "non-arbitrary".
 
Onceler said:
You're conveniently ignoring the other half of the equation with regard to rights. You know...the mother?
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I don't see much of a comparison.....the mother would be required to deliver the child she created to term......nine months of her life.....the child dies....which do you think is the greater burden?.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
of course it's a bad one....it doesn't need to be "tree", any more than a zygote needs to be "adult"......are you incapable of understanding that or do you just not give a shit....
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It needs to be a tree if we have a law protecting trees. If trees are protected in a certain area, we don't also protect the acorns.

Get it?
 
PostmodernProphet said:
sorry if it offends you.....it's true, but most liberals can't handle that.....
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It's true that 30% of Americans WANT TO KILL BABIES?

Gots news for you; I know lots of liberals, and I don't know one that even wants to see abortions performed (which is not "killing babies" - you have already admitted that a zygote is not a baby).

It's not true; it's the hate rhetoric that you zealots fall back on when you're getting trounced.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
I don't see much of a comparison.....the mother would be required to deliver the child she created to term......nine months of her life.....the child dies....which do you think is the greater burden?.....
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A fetus doesn't even have emotions until probably the third trimester. It's not able to feel pain until somewhere in the second trimester. It carries no burden.
 
Onceler said:
I never argued that a zygote isn't human; it is. A zygote is not a baby or an adult, just as an acorn isn't a tree.

The acorn analogy is imperfect, but it isn't a bad one. It has all of the genetic plans for a tree, and is a "life," but it is most definitely not a tree.
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but aren't babies and adults human?
 
Onceler said:
It needs to be a tree if we have a law protecting trees. If trees are protected in a certain area, we don't also protect the acorns.

Get it?
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no, because it's a fucked up analogy....

the proper equation is acorns are to zygotes as oaks are to human......
 
Onceler said:
It's true that 30% of Americans WANT TO KILL BABIES?

Gots news for you; I know lots of liberals, and I don't know one that even wants to see abortions performed (which is not "killing babies" - you have already admitted that a zygote is not a baby).

It's not true; it's the hate rhetoric that you zealots fall back on when you're getting trounced.
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yes, those who support abortion want to kill babies.....there is no other rational way to look at it.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
yes, those who support abortion want to kill babies.....there is no other rational way to look at it.....
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Like I said - credibility nosedive.

It's too bad; you were on the verge of maybe making a good point or two.

Now, you're just another zealot trapped in the corner, barking like a mad dog.
 
Atheistmark said:
Alright, I will further clarify by saying "cognitive ability".

If a there was a cow with as much intelligence as a human, that we could talk to, would it be logically consistent to slaughter it and keep alive a clump of cells? A cow and a human aren't the same thing because of the difference in their cognitive ability.
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the only problem with this is, severe mental retardation or serious brain injuries....dolphins would have more cognitive ability than them...are you now saying dolphins are human?
 
Onceler said:
Like I said - credibility nosedive.

It's too bad; you were on the verge of maybe making a good point or two.

Now, you're just another zealot trapped in the corner, barking like a mad dog.
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awe shucks....Onceler doesn't like my comments.....now he'll go away pretending he won the argument he never got around to raising.....
 
Onceler said:
They are. Every stage of human development is "human."
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then isn't that different than the acorn which is not also a tree, but an acorn

if every stage is human, then i don't see how abortion cannot be murder

CA PC 187: (a) Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being, or a
fetus, with malice aforethought.


notice, that fetus gets you murder if you have malice....what intrigues me is that the woman who aborts apparently doesn't have malice....
 
Beefy said:
Pro Choice. I'm pro choice, especially on things like a parents choice on where they send their child to school, ie vouchers, but most "pro choices" are anti-choice there. I'm pro choice on whether people should be able to determine their own retirement and opt out of the government's ponzi bullshit, but most who claim to be "pro choice" are not in favor of honest hard working people having the ability to have that choice. I'm pro choice on whether people should be allowed run their businesses in any way they please, even if it means allowing someone to smoke a cigarette in the bar that I built, slaved over and own. Most "Pro choice" people oppose that choice. I'm pro choice when it comes to allowing people to agree to terms of a service or product and a price, but most "pro choicers" oppose the free exchange without government intervention on every level....
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Welcome to the Dark Side, fellow Conservative. LOL
 
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