A trial without witnesses is unconstitutional.

[Into the Night]

Hello Rune,



As far as I am concerned ain't nobody gonna FORGET this travesty of justice.

The Trump cult has made a MOCKERY of presidential oversight.

This cannot go unanswered.

Our chance to speak up comes on November 3rd.

We gotta set this right.

Vote Blue No Matter Who

YOU don't get to declare the Senate trial invalid. You are not the Senate or the Constitution.

 

[Into the Night]

The intent (and letter) of the Constitution was to leave all the procedures for impeachment to the House and Senate.

WRONG. The procedures for impeachment are specifically laid out in the Constitution itself. That said, each house can create its rules for conducting its business (including the impeachment business, subject to Constitutional requirements).

Not according to Madison. That would be the same as majority rule which they fervently sought to prevent.

Madison was correct. Democracies are unstable governments. They quickly dissolve into oligarchies or dictatorships. There is no surviving democracy in the world today.

 

[Earl]

Bad conduct in office, which drunken behavior would be considered part of, would be called a misdemeanor in the language of the time. That is an impeachable offense.

Abuse of power is definitely an impeachable offense under English Common Law. It would have been understood by the Founding Fathers to be such. The articles of impeachment would have been fine to the Founding Fathers.

Wrong, what Clinton did in office (in the bathroom of the White House) was bad conduct. He was not impeached for that bad conduct. He was impeached for the CRIME of perjury. Not convicted though it was a crime.

 

[Into the Night]

If the president came to work drunk every day and did no work that would not be a crime. He couldn't be impeached?

Nope.

 

[Into the Night]

Bad conduct in office, which drunken behavior would be considered part of, would be called a misdemeanor in the language of the time. That is an impeachable offense.

Ex post facto laws are unconstitutional, dumbass.

Abuse of power is definitely an impeachable offense under English Common Law.

We don't use English Common Law in the United States.

It would have been understood by the Founding Fathers to be such.
The articles of impeachment would have been fine to the Founding Fathers.

You don't get to speak for the founding fathers. You only get to speak for you.

 

[Into the Night]

But it is not a crime under criminal statutes as Into the Night says is necessary.

Correct.

 

[Into the Night]

But they wanted some in the Senate also. But even if they did not allow witnesses in the House it would still not be unconstitutional.

Correct. Witnesses are not required for a trial.

 

[Rune]

YOU don't get to declare the Senate trial 'invalid'. You are not the Senate.

It's a free country.
I can declare my opinion whenever the fuck I want.

 

[Into the Night]

YOU don't get to declare the Senate trial 'invalid'. You are not the Senate.

 

[Rune]

YOU don't get to declare the Senate trial 'invalid'. You are not the Senate.

You don't get to tell me what to do you arrogant piece of excrement.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Flash,

The intent (and letter) of the Constitution was to leave all the procedures for impeachment to the House and Senate.



Not according to Madison. That would be the same as majority rule which they fervently sought to prevent.

If the House impeaches again it is not the realization of Madison's fear. The oligarchs will still have the Senate to admire the suit of the naked king.

 

[Darth Omar]

Hello Flash,



If the House impeaches again it is not the realization of Madison's fear. The oligarchs will still have the Senate to admire the suit of the naked king.

I’ll go out on a limb and say if the House impeaches again it will be to their detriment lol.

 

[Darth Omar]

Correct. Witnesses are not required for a trial.

Could democrats even make it to an actual trial with no more than what they had lol?

 

[Earl]

“Revenge is a dish best served served cold.”

Per line "La vengeance est un plat qui se mange froide" from Pierre Choderlos de Laclos's epistolary novel Les Liaisons Dangereuses, 1782.

Can’t wait for November.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Darth,

I’ll go out on a limb and say if the House impeaches again it will be to their detriment lol.

You mean further out on the limb you went out on when you said that the last time he got impeached. We are still waiting to see how well that limb holds up in these stormy political times.

 

[MAGA MAN]

If the President is acquitted in a trial where witnesses were banned then Autocracy has begun.
There will be no going back.
Is that really what you fools want?
To win a battle but lose everything?

How I see Rune:

 

[Darth Omar]

Hello Darth,

You mean further out on the limb you went out on when you said that the last time he got impeached. We are still waiting to see how well that limb holds up in these stormy political times.

Be wary of the storm unlooked for lol.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Darth,

Be wary of the storm unlooked for lol.

The lesson of Trump. We are learning it well.

 

[Into the Night]

You don't get to tell me what to do you arrogant piece of excrement.

You don't get to tell the Senate what to do you arrogant piece of excrement. YOU don't get to declare the Senate trial 'invalid'. You are not the Senate.

 

[Into the Night]

Hello Flash,



If the House impeaches again it is not the realization of Madison's fear. The oligarchs will still have the Senate to admire the suit of the naked king.

The Senate is not an oligarchy.