A trial without witnesses is unconstitutional.

Hello Darth,

Darth Omar said:
The second problem is Trump asking for an investigation of Biden/Burisma could serve the national interest.
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You're right. That is a huge problem. It got Trump impeached. And it was shown that it was only in Trump's interest.

Darth Omar said:
Also, Joe Biden is not ‘the election’. Ultimately, it’s Biden’s fault for allowing a clear conflict of interest to exist in Ukraine while he was VP.
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The appearance of that is certainly not good. But what control does Joe Biden have over Hunter Biden to force him to make certain decisions? And more importantly, though the appearnce is bothersome, what actual laws have been broken? What basis is there for an investigation? Should people be investigated because they earn a lot of money? For all the cries of Republicans saying Democrats want to 'punish success' this would be the epitome of it to investigate someone simply because they made a lot of money. That smacks of envy.

Darth Omar said:
To whatever extent this charade affects ‘his election’ chances is the Democrats fault. Without the ‘whistleblower’ none of this would have happened and Biden/Burisma wouldn’t have been in the news for months.
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Thank you for explaining why Republicans want revenge on the WB.

Darth Omar said:
Though it was likely going to come up anyway, if Biden gets the nomination.
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I don't believe there is much 'if' about that, but we shall see.
 
Hello Tranquillus in Exile,

Tranquillus in Exile said:
That's not my problem, Darth. It's the GOP's problem when Bolton's book comes out.

"You can't fool all of the people all of the time."

Hey, Lincoln was a Republican! Not many people know that. Did you know that?
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The famous quote has been superseded.

You can insult some of the people all the time, all of the people some of the time, but you cannot insult all the people all the time.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Darth,



You're right. That is a huge problem. It got Trump impeached. And it was shown that it was only in Trump's interest.



The appearance of that is certainly not good. But what control does Joe Biden have over Hunter Biden to force him to make certain decisions? And more importantly, though the appearnce is bothersome, what actual laws have been broken? What basis is there for an investigation? Should people be investigated because they earn a lot of money? For all the cries of Republicans saying Democrats want to 'punish success' this would be the epitome of it to investigate someone simply because they made a lot of money. That smacks of envy.



Thank you for explaining why Republicans want revenge on the WB.



I don't believe there is much 'if' about that, but we shall see.
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You concede that the appearance wasn’t good lol.

We’re getting somewhere. Investigations are commonly started when ‘appearances aren’t good’. That’s a pretty low bar—just ask Carter Page, he’ll be happy to tell you all about it.

With that established, one of Trump’s motives was legitimate. In fact, if he had another motive it doesn’t matter. In other words, if he had a parallel motive [it would benefit him politically] that doesn’t matter because all he needs is one legitimate motive.

After all the tedious hours, days and weeks of testimony, putting everything else on hold and dividing the country—it all boils down to that one simple thing: Trump’s mixed motive.

What a colossal waste of time.
 
It’s already been established that the Articles did not rise to the level of impeachment.

Bolton is a moot issue.
 
Darth Omar said:
... one of Trump’s motives was legitimate. In fact, if he had another motive it doesn’t matter.
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Another of Trump's requests was for Zelensky to look into the matter of the DNC server, which "a lot of people say" is hidden in Ukraine. You think that was legit, too - a matter of national interest?

A lot of people say the Zionists did 9/11. Trump must have figured that CONSPIRACY THEORY was no use to him, so he didn't bring it up.

What we have here is a grossly dishonest, ignorant, self-obsessed person in the WH, and you want four more years of him because you think he's serving your political agenda. Will he get a majority of the votes this time?
 
The Senate used the information the House gave them.

The House rushed through the impeachment hearings because as they said "it was of vital interest". Then they held it up for a month, contradicting their original claim.

Had they waited out the process they could have had testimony from Bolton. But, they didn't.

I have asked many times of JPP leftists, what makes them think that the White House wouldn't try to block Bolton from testifying in the Senate?
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
Another of Trump's requests was for Zelensky to look into the matter of the DNC server, which "a lot of people say" is hidden in Ukraine. You think that was legit, too - a matter of national interest?

A lot of people say the Zionists did 9/11. Trump must have figured that CONSPIRACY THEORY was no use to him, so he didn't bring it up.

What we have here is a grossly dishonest, ignorant, self-obsessed person in the WH, and you want four more years of him because you think he's serving your political agenda. Will he get a majority of the votes this time?
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We’ll see if he wins the electoral college lol.
 
Earl said:
It’s already been established that the Articles did not rise to the level of impeachment.

Bolton is a moot issue.
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It has already been established by the sole constitutional authority on the subject that the articles do rise to the level of impeachment. Earl is in denial of reality.

We are still waiting for Earl to get back to us with the impeachment case that he claims that the Supreme Court reversed, but I doubt any of us are holding our breath.
 
Darth Omar said:
We’ll see if he wins the electoral college lol.
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Everything right now is pointing to it being close. It could go either way. Democrats are almost certainly going to keep the House, and win seats in the Senate. The question becomes will they win the White House, and will they get a majority in the Senate.

I think the greatest danger to Republicans chances is trump speaking. One part of the impeachment that did really backfire is it moved trump's tweets off the front page. If trump agrees to show up to all the debates, and people watch those debates, Republicans are toast.
 
Walt said:
It has already been established by the sole constitutional authority on the subject that the articles do rise to the level of impeachment. Earl is in denial of reality.

We are still waiting for Earl to get back to us with the impeachment case that he claims that the Supreme Court reversed, but I doubt any of us are holding our breath.
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Hopefully Earl will hold his breath under water ,with cement shoes.
 
Walt said:
Due process applies to the victim, also.
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Can you give an example of a case the courts have ruled the victim was deprived constitutional 5th amendment due process?

The 5th amendment includes indictment by grand jury, self-incrimination, double-jeopardy, being deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process, and taking private property for public use without compensation.

Which of these applies to victims other than the taking clause?
 
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