Abortion

[IBDaMann]

I haven't 'evaded' any of your questions. I've responded to all of them

You have EVADED all of my questions. You still have not honestly addressed a single one. You pretend to "disagree" with math and logic, you avoid directly avoid questions, and you chant the same debunked buzz phrases in the hopes that I will somehow forget that they were debunked.

You remain a killing supremacist who ardently advocates for fathers to be prohibited from saving the lives of their children ... a very shitty position indeed.

- some of them are questions with false assumptions

Nope. You mischaracterize your rejection of math and logic as somehow being my fault in the form of "false assumptions."

You don't get to reject math and logic. You don't get to "disagree" with objective truth.

 

[IBDaMann]

Sperm and egg combine to create a separate life. You don't get to kill other human life. Intelligence is irrelevant not the discussion. Not but a distraction

@Scott and @AProudLefty are desperate to make the definition of "living human" dependent upon superfluous and irrelevant "intellegence" and "sentience."

 

[Yakuda]

@Scott and @AProudLefty are desperate to make the definition of "living human" dependent upon superfluous and irrelevant "intellegence" and "sentience."

Absolutely right. If those where the standards for who to get rid of neither of them would be here.

 

[IBDaMann]

I ask the audience to notice that IBDaMann didn't respond to my point about how a human zygote is far removed from a born baby.

Did you provide the "audience" a definition of "far removed"?

Everyone agrees that the deaths of human sperm and human eggs isn't such a big deal.

Nope. To what everyone agrees is that something must be alive before it can be dead, otherwise it is simply "inanimate" or "non-motile" or "non-viable."

Everyone who has no problem reproducing agrees that non-motile sperm and non-viable eggs aren't such a big deal.

Why does that change for so many people once [a living human enters the picture]?

FTFY. Because people who are not shitty care about whether society permits the killing of living humans who have not committed any crime and who have not expressed any desire to die. There aren't many people who want a society that legally and physically prohibits a father from rescuing his child from certain death.

 

[IBDaMann]

Atheism, in the broadest sense, is an absence of belief in the existence of deities.

There is no breadth of sense. Atheism means "lack of theism" and nothing else. There are theists and there are atheists.

I am an atheist. I do not have any theism, ergo I have no beliefs about the supernatural. I do not believe in anything supernatural or that there are any deities, and I do not believe that there aren't any deities or anything supernatural. I simply do not have any theistic beliefs.

 

[IBDaMann]

... but with his own side here.

I am not on a "side" except perhaps on the side of living humans. That places me on your side, by the way. If anyone comes to kill you, I will try to thwart the attempt.

gfm and Into the Night both apparently believe that a human life begins at conception

You are very astute for having picked up on this. Christianity conceals this little detail, but you rooted it out.

- IBDaMann, on the other hand, believes that a human life begins once the embryo gets a heartbeat.

Incorrect. My personal belief is that once a sperm fertilizes an egg, both the sperm and the egg are destroyed in a emergent transformation tht produces a living human, which many call a "zygote" at that moment in time. I simply do not use the word "conception."

Apparently you are becoming confused by my argument simply stating that when there is a heartbeat, no one can deny that there is life. I don't know why you are confused on this point, but nonetheless here we are. I am not yet able to formulate a rational basis for showing that the human is alive prior to having a beating heart, despite my firm belief that he is.

IBDaMann, gfm and Into the Night all like to ignore the fact that the first stage of human development is the Gamete stage,

@Scott absurdly asserts that humans have life stages that somehow precede their existences. There is no "gamete" stage. Human life begins at on or after the emergent transformation (sperm fertilization of the egg) and does not exist prior; ergo there are no life stages prior.

... and you don't get to "disagree".