About those innocent Palestinian civilians

volsrock said:
Poll shows Palestinians back Oct. 7 attack on Israel, support for Hamas rises


Seventy-two percent of respondents said they believed the Hamas decision to launch the cross-border rampage in southern Israel was "correct" given its outcome so far, while 22% said it was "incorrect". The remainder were undecided or gave no answer.


https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/
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See response #3 on this thread.

Did you miss when I posted the 1st time?
 
RB 60 said:
Hiroshima was a storage depot for the army (communications, etc.), Nagasaki was a second choice, because the first choice was cloud covered.

Moral high ground? Do you have any idea what the Germans and Japanese did to POWs? The ones they didn't torture and kill? The devastation they left in their paths? How many cities were destroyed in WWII before we dropped the bomb?
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I don't care. Vaporizing 10's of thousands of people is an act of terrorism. It's the act of an outlaw nation.

We either stand for something, or we don't. If we're just like them, what are we even fighting for?
 
BartenderElite said:
Over 70%, eh?

Well, Gaza is over 40% children. They don't poll children.

And most of these polls they conduct in person. Imagine if you live under a violent, oppressive regime, and a stranger comes to your door and asks you if you support that regime?

I mean, really - how many times do we have to debunk these polls. Any "pro lifer" should care about innocents in Gaza, and support them.
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Israel has left Gaza to rule themselves since 2007.
 
BartenderElite said:
I don't care. Vaporizing 10's of thousands of people is an act of terrorism. It's the act of an outlaw nation.

We either stand for something, or we don't. If we're just like them, what are we even fighting for?
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My father was in the Philippines preparing to invade Japan when we dropped the bomb. There is a very real chance that I might not be here if we had not dropped the bomb. And Dropping the bomb may have actually saved Japanese lives.

According to a 1945 estimate from the War Department, the invasion of Japan would have resulted in 5–10 million Japanese deaths and 1.7–4 million U.S. casualties. However, casualty predictions varied widely and depended on the extent of Japanese civilian resistance. Some say that Allied estimates of close to 1 million Allied casualties are realistic, with 25% of those being deaths
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https://www.history.navy.mil/about-...ate July, the JCS,to 10 million Japanese dead.
 
Earl said:
The group, Hamas, a terrorist group, that they chose to be their governing body, started the war.
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A little over half of the ADULT population chose that MANY years ago.

Are you trying to make some argument that no one there is deserving of basic human consideration?
 
BartenderElite said:
I don't care. Vaporizing 10's of thousands of people is an act of terrorism. It's the act of an outlaw nation.

We either stand for something, or we don't. If we're just like them, what are we even fighting for?
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What are we fighting for? Survival. 10s of thousands of Americans and millions from other countries were killed in WWII.
Should more have been killed since Japan had no intent of surrendering before the bomb was dropped?
Maybe you should have spoken to a few who experienced war before you accuse them of terrorism.
 
ExpressLane said:
My father was in the Philippines preparing to invade Japan when we dropped the bomb. There is a very real chance that I might not be here if we had not dropped the bomb. And Dropping the bomb may have actually saved Japanese lives.

https://www.history.navy.mil/about-...ate July, the JCS,to 10 million Japanese dead.
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My father was also in the Philippines. He was there when the prisoners were rescued from the Bataan Death March. Many of those prisoners didn't want to believe they were being rescued, they thought it was a trick so the Japanese could torture them to death in front of their fellow prisoners. My father never spoke much of the war. I have a signed Japanese flag, one the Kamikaze pilots signed before they left to dive bomb our ships. When a country sends their own off to die like that, do you think they care if they terrorize and kill the enemy? The barmaid must not understand...
 
BartenderElite said:
I don't care. Vaporizing 10's of thousands of people is an act of terrorism. It's the act of an outlaw nation.

We either stand for something, or we don't. If we're just like them, what are we even fighting for?
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Wrong! Obliterating an enemy's means to further conduct war is a perfectly legitimate thing. If the enemy chooses, as Japan did, to have an economy based primarily on small shops interspersed across cities supplying war materials to larger factories, then bombing that city--because your weapons are not accurate enough to take down a single small building--should be expected. Destroying transportation systems, communications systems, and other infrastructure that allows your enemy to make war are perfectly legitimate targets.

When Japan has school children in their classrooms making simple parts for war production, then they become targets too.

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Are these children a legitimate target in war?

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If we aren't willing to take what it does to win a war, we shouldn't fight it to begin with. Of course, not fighting often is a far worse choice than fighting the war is.
 
RB 60 said:
My father was also in the Philippines. He was there when the prisoners were rescued from the Bataan Death March. Many of those prisoners didn't want to believe they were being rescued, they thought it was a trick so the Japanese could torture them to death in front of their fellow prisoners. My father never spoke much of the war. I have a signed Japanese flag, one the Kamikaze pilots signed before they left to dive bomb our ships. When a country sends their own off to die like that, do you think they care if they terrorize and kill the enemy? The barmaid must not understand...
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What don't I understand?

I'm talking about civilians.
 
RB 60 said:
If you enter a war, you should fight to win, no matter the cost.

Yeah, I already mentioned that.
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Such as killing the source of your enemy’s ability to keep fighting: the entire civilian population. The Nazis didn’t go that far but they went part way. Didn’t work out so well for them at Nuremberg.
 
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