ABRAHAM LINCOLN - THE GREAT COLONISER

Dachshynddawg said:
I am surprised at how many American posters on this forum have no knowledge of the history of the Civil War. So I thought I would set down some facts for the benefit of bird-brains like Guno and Tacomaman.


Before I deal with the Civil War in the US. I'd like to remind all of those American leftists on this forum who demonise the West for having established the trans-Atlantic slave trade, that slavery is a UNIVERSAL institution until its abolition essentially by the Judeo-Christian West in 1833. That was the year the British Parliament abolished slavery in most British colonies, freeing more than 800,000 enslaved Africans.


WHAT CAUSED THE AMERICAN CIVIL WAR ?


The American Civil War was fought less over the moral issue of slavery than it was over the economic and political control of that system that was central to the conflict.


A key issue was states Rights. The Southern states wanted to assert their authority over the federal government, so they could abolish laws they didn't support, especially those laws interfering with the South's Right to keep slaves and take them wherever they wanted.


The South also wanted to take slaves into the Western territories, while the North was determined to keep them open to White labour alone. So, territorial expansion was another factor. Meanwhile the Republican party, who strongly opposed this territorial expansion by the South were gaining political strength.


When Abraham Lincoln, a Republican, was elected President in 1860, it sealed the deal. He was elected without a single Southern electoral vote, and the South knew they had lost all influence. The perception that they had been excluded from the political system, led them to turn to the only alternative that they felt remained to them: succession, a political decision that led to war.


ABRAHAM LINCOLN - THE GREAT EMANCIPATOR WHO BECAME THE GREAT COLONISER


Throughout his lifetime Lincoln argued that slavery was a moral evil. I would trace this belief back to the work of the great English Enlightenment philosopher, John Locke. Locke was a Natural Law theorist, he believed that God (Biblical) had ordained an objective Natural Law - a body of unchanging moral principles that was a basis for all human conduct. He believed that human were able to discern some of the moral principles of Natural Law by using their God-given capacity to reason (i.e; to use their intelligence/rational faculties) Some examples of Natural law are: do not kill, do not enslave and do not steal. It is always and everywhere morally wrong to do these things.

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Did you honestly think we didn't know that? LOL!

Had it not been for Lincoln, we would be two countries right now, more like North and South Korea!
 
Egg Shell said:
If the Southern States had petitioned Congress and legally followed the steps to legal succession,I could have supported that.
But they chose treason.
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There are no steps, only that the union remained until such time as it became no longer mutually beneficial.
It was clearly that.
 
WitoldPilecki said:
Brazil outlawed slavery in 1888, they took the most Black slaves from Africa in the Atlantic Slave Trade.

But, we rarely hear about this, I guess because Brazilians aren't lily White Northern Europeans.

There's a clear smear against White people just for being White.

The larger Arab slave trade also gets left out of the History books too.
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How many Polish slaves were sold in the Middle eastern slave markets by the Turks & Tarters??
 
Dachshynddawg said:
I am surprised at how many American posters on this forum have no knowledge of the history of the Civil War. So I thought I would set down some facts for the benefit of bird-brains like Guno and Tacomaman.


Before I deal with the Civil War in the US. I'd like to remind all of those American leftists on this forum who demonise the West for having established the trans-Atlantic slave trade, that slavery is a UNIVERSAL institution until its abolition essentially by the Judeo-Christian West in 1833. That was the year the British Parliament abolished slavery in most British colonies, freeing more than 800,000 enslaved Africans.


WHAT CAUSED THE AMERICAN CIVIL WAR ?


The American Civil War was fought less over the moral issue of slavery than it was over the economic and political control of that system that was central to the conflict.


A key issue was states Rights. The Southern states wanted to assert their authority over the federal government, so they could abolish laws they didn't support, especially those laws interfering with the South's Right to keep slaves and take them wherever they wanted.


The South also wanted to take slaves into the Western territories, while the North was determined to keep them open to White labour alone. So, territorial expansion was another factor. Meanwhile the Republican party, who strongly opposed this territorial expansion by the South were gaining political strength.


When Abraham Lincoln, a Republican, was elected President in 1860, it sealed the deal. He was elected without a single Southern electoral vote, and the South knew they had lost all influence. The perception that they had been excluded from the political system, led them to turn to the only alternative that they felt remained to them: succession, a political decision that led to war.


ABRAHAM LINCOLN - THE GREAT EMANCIPATOR WHO BECAME THE GREAT COLONISER


Throughout his lifetime Lincoln argued that slavery was a moral evil. I would trace this belief back to the work of the great English Enlightenment philosopher, John Locke. Locke was a Natural Law theorist, he believed that God (Biblical) had ordained an objective Natural Law - a body of unchanging moral principles that was a basis for all human conduct. He believed that human were able to discern some of the moral principles of Natural Law by using their God-given capacity to reason (i.e; to use their intelligence/rational faculties) Some examples of Natural law are: do not kill, do not enslave and do not steal. It is always and everywhere morally wrong to do these things.

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OP fail! The war between the states was fought because Northern states tried to put tariffs on southern-produced goods.
Inter-country tariffs, they tried.
 
Geeko Sportivo said:
Did you honestly think we didn't know that? LOL!

Had it not been for Lincoln, we would be two countries right now, more like North and South Korea!
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Had Lincoln not been assassinated in 1865, it is highly likely there would be no African-Americans living in the US today. I will explain why when I complete my OP.

Dachshund
 
jimmymccready said:
Lincoln was for colonization at one time.

So was Jefferson.

They were towering historical figures, and their reputations just walk the OP right into the dust of history.
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From around 1853/4 to, literally, his dying day, one issue that preoccupied Lincoln inordinately was how he would be able to organise the deportation of all liberated Negro slaves from the United States after emancipation. He never made a secret of the fact that he viewed Negros to be the political and social inferiors of White European Americans, and firmly believed that they were wholly incapable of harmoniously integrating into White American society. Lincoln understood that if ALL of the former slaves were not promptly deported after their emancipation, they would become a source never-ending civil (social/political) unrest, strife and conflict in American society due to the irreconcilable clash of the cultures/ worldviews held by the two races (White and Black). I will explain this in more detail and provide the documentary evidence that confirms it when I complete my OP.

In the US in 2020, the political left (Liberals, "progressives", socialists) would, I think, automatically denounce Lincoln as a racist/White supremacist if they knew the facts. But this would be to seriously misunderstand him.


Dachshund
 
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Dachshynddawg said:
I am surprised at how many American posters on this forum have no knowledge of the history of the Civil War. So I thought I would set down some facts for the benefit of bird-brains like Guno and Tacomaman.


Before I deal with the Civil War in the US. I'd like to remind all of those American leftists on this forum who demonise the West for having established the trans-Atlantic slave trade, that slavery is a UNIVERSAL institution until its abolition essentially by the Judeo-Christian West in 1833. That was the year the British Parliament abolished slavery in most British colonies, freeing more than 800,000 enslaved Africans.


WHAT CAUSED THE AMERICAN CIVIL WAR ?


The American Civil War was fought less over the moral issue of slavery than it was over the economic and political control of that system that was central to the conflict.


A key issue was states Rights. The Southern states wanted to assert their authority over the federal government, so they could abolish laws they didn't support, especially those laws interfering with the South's Right to keep slaves and take them wherever they wanted.


The South also wanted to take slaves into the Western territories, while the North was determined to keep them open to White labour alone. So, territorial expansion was another factor. Meanwhile the Republican party, who strongly opposed this territorial expansion by the South were gaining political strength.


When Abraham Lincoln, a Republican, was elected President in 1860, it sealed the deal. He was elected without a single Southern electoral vote, and the South knew they had lost all influence. The perception that they had been excluded from the political system, led them to turn to the only alternative that they felt remained to them: succession, a political decision that led to war.


ABRAHAM LINCOLN - THE GREAT EMANCIPATOR WHO BECAME THE GREAT COLONISER


Throughout his lifetime Lincoln argued that slavery was a moral evil. I would trace this belief back to the work of the great English Enlightenment philosopher, John Locke. Locke was a Natural Law theorist, he believed that God (Biblical) had ordained an objective Natural Law - a body of unchanging moral principles that was a basis for all human conduct. He believed that human were able to discern some of the moral principles of Natural Law by using their God-given capacity to reason (i.e; to use their intelligence/rational faculties) Some examples of Natural law are: do not kill, do not enslave and do not steal. It is always and everywhere morally wrong to do these things.

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here ignorant peckerwood

Cornerstone” Speech
Alexander H. Stephens | March 21, 1861
The Cornerstone Speech, also known as the Cornerstone Address, was an oration given by Confederate Vice President Alexander H. Stephens at the Athenaeum in Savannah, Georgia, on March 21, 1861, delivered extemporaneously a few weeks before the Civil War began with the Battle of Fort Sumter. Stephens' speech defended slavery, explained the fundamental differences between the constitutions of the Confederacy and that of the United States, enumerated contrasts between U.S. and Confederate ideologies, and laid out the Confederacy's causes for attempting to secede from the U.S.



Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It has been so even amongst us. Many who hear me, perhaps, can recollect well, that this truth was not generally admitted, even within their day. The errors of the past generation still clung to many as late as twenty years ago. Those at the North, who still cling to these errors, with a zeal above knowledge, we justly denominate fanatics. All fanaticism springs from an aberration of the mind from a defect in reasoning. It is a species of insanity. One of the most striking characteristics of insanity, in many instances, is forming correct conclusions from fancied or erroneous premises; so with the anti-slavery fanatics. Their conclusions are right if their premises were. They assume that the negro is equal, and hence conclude that he is entitled to equal privileges and rights with the white man. If their premises were correct, their conclusions would be logical and just but their premise being wrong, their whole argument fails. . .

https://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/cornerstone-speech/.
 
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