Absolutism!

Cypress said:
Because of the limits of human language, one would always have to add caveats and qualifiers to mathmatical concepts.

The Pythagorean theorem only works in Euclidian space.

The speed of light varies depending on the matrix it travels through.

Quantum foam is perhaps mathematically a violation of the conservation of energy, but at time scales greater than Planck time it does not constitute an actual violation.

Newtonian and relativistic gravitational laws work for every satellite, rocket, or probe we have ever launched, but our knowledge of physics ends when time and density approach that of a singularity or a black hole. Gravity may be a force leaking into our universe from spatial dimensions we cannot percieve.
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For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.


Everything is effected by everything it seems
 
Jarod said:
Exactly, and the list goes on and on... But I contend that most religions are based in the idea of some mythic certainty that doesn't seem to exist.
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Well, I am on Team Plato and Team Thomas Jefferson when it comes to natural law. I do believe there are universal laws and categorical moral imperatives when it comes to human nature.

The fact that the trajectory of all major world religions have independently bended towards basically the same core of moral imperatives, within a margin of error, suggests to me that by virtue of being human we inuit a type of universal natural law.
 
Jarod said:
IT seemed that way for the last 7 years, but now?
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Trumptardation is a plague that swept across America in epidemic proportion.

While some have realized that Trump is a Danger to our Country and are ready to move on from him, there are still 32% of Americans that can't put him in the past, and still wants him to be their leader.

Recent polls in the middle of December indicate that Donald Trump still has a 32% approval rating!

Here are some amazing and horrific statistics based on recent polls....

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alison...-with-gop-plunges-poll-finds/?sh=62f4f85135fe
 
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Cypress said:
Well, I am on Team Plato and Team Thomas Jefferson when it comes to natural law. I do believe there are universal laws and categorical moral imperatives when it comes to human nature.

The fact that the trajectory of all major world religions have independently bend towards basically the same core of moral imperatives, within a margin of error, suggests to me that by virtue of being human we inuit a type of universal natural law.
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I think there are universal myths, but due to evolution I do not agree in universal natural law. Everything changes given enough time, even humanity. One day our race will no longer be recognized as "human" but categorized as something new, just like there are no longer Neanderthals... there will no longer be humans. We will be the ancestors of what comes next.
 
Geeko Sportivo said:
Trumptardation is a plague that swept across America in epidemic proportion.

While some have realized that Trump is a Danger to our Country and are ready to move on from him, there are still 32% of Americans that can't put him in the past, and still wants him to be their leader.

Recent polls in the middle of December indicate that Donald Trump still has a 32% approval rating!
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I think its still dropping lower than 32%, given more time. For thousands of years, the mob has always contained people like Trumppers, they are dangerous when they get a foothold.
 
Jarod said:
It finally happened, and now the "Former Trumppers" get all upset and whinny if his name is even mentioned.
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The Trump IDOLIZERS, or let's just say, those who are relentless lovers of Donald Trump out of blind admiration and devotion, have always blamed the Democrats for Donald Trump in the first place.

Now, they blame us because he JUST WON'T GO AWAY!
 
Jarod said:
Maybe, but it is a moving target at times. People are brought back from death if you use traditional methods of determining when death occurs. Years ago that football player would have been consider "dead" when his heart stopped beating and respiration ceased to occur... Now he is "alive" after having his heart restarted and with the use of a respirator.
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But, it’s inevitable. Humans can not escape the final outcome, you may avoid it for awhile, but not forever.
 
evince said:
For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.


Everything is effected by everything it seems
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Newton's third law.


I generally subscribe to the philosophical school of scientific realism.

Scientific realism has at its core the claims that scientific theories aim to correctly depict both unobservable and observable reality and that, in general at least, adopting a scientific theory involves believing what it says about all of reality. Realism (roughly) asserts that scientific theories can and sometimes do provide an accurate picture of reality, including unobservable reality.

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...sophy-of-science&highlight=Philosophy+science
 
Jarod said:
I think there are universal myths, but due to evolution I do not agree in universal natural law. Everything changes given enough time, even humanity. One day our race will no longer be recognized as "human" but categorized as something new, just like there are no longer Neanderthals... there will no longer be humans. We will be the ancestors of what comes next.
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For humans, the overall historical trajectory has been bending inexorably towards more freedom, more equality, more justice, more fairness, even if humanity takes detours away from that trajectory. That has been the trend for thousands of years.

I think that says something fundamental and profound universally about humans.

Primates living a million years from now won't have the same moral imperatives as Homo sapiens, and Einstein's field equations do not work at the heart of a black hole or singularity.

I still see them as universal truths for humanity, or universal mathematical laws at the scale of the cosmos.
 
Cypress said:
For humans, the overall historical trajectory has been bending inexorably towards more freedom, more equality, more justice, more fairness, even if humanity takes detours away from that trajectory. That has been the trend for thousands of years.

I think that says something fundamental and profound universally about humans.

Primates living a million years from now won't have the same moral imperatives as Homo sapiens, and Einstein's field equations do not work at the heart of a black hole or singularity.

I still see them as universal truths for humanity, or universal mathematical laws at the scale of the cosmos.
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You say at the scale of the cosmos, but without limitation, it is not an absolute.
 
Jarod said:
You say at the scale of the cosmos, but without limitation, it is not an absolute.
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So are you saying absolute knowledge in the way that a perfectly all knowing omniscient being would have? Because we are never going to have that kind of knowledge, and that is not even open for debate.

But we absolutely know within the boundaries of reason, cognition, higher mathematics, and scientific experimentation that absolute zero temperature is negative 273 Kelvin, nothing can go faster than the speed of light in a vacuum, and a[SUP]2[/SUP] + b[SUP]2[/SUP] = c[SUP]2[/SUP].

If you are asking if we can ever be perfectly all knowing and all omniscient, the answer is obviously no.
 
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