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another angry rant by the angry lady
Admit it Dems: Ryan scares the shit out of you
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another angry rant by the angry lady
Left leaning? Really? Lochead is a libertarian.
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cawacko
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And where do you get that idea from?
The Institute for Humane Studies, a leading libertarian group of which she's a member???
Dixie - In Memoriam
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It's also important to remember reforming something is not the same as keeping the original so the Repub plan is not preserving anything.
"We'll keep Medicare. We'll just change it."
You're right Apple, the Republicans wish to change course from Medicare going broke in 12 years, and Democrats want to stay that course. Republicans want to fix the system so it remains solvent for generations to come, and Democrats want to ignore the problem and do nothing, other than to rail on conservatives who want to fix it.
I stand corrected... Republicans do not want to ignore the problems and keep the system that will go broke in 12 years, like the Democrats do. Good call!
cawacko
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She's been a writer for the San Francisco Chronicle, my local paper, for years. She does a fine enough job but she's not a Libertarian. Trust me, I would be in love with her if the Chronicle had an actual Libertarian writing for them but they don't. They have one columnist, Deborah Saunders, who they label "the token conservative" in her byline. This is San Francisco dude, it shouldn't surprise you.
signalmankenneth
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Ryan is Romney's Quayle?
The worst since Quayle?
This race is over.
Did Romney have a choice?
His VP HAD to be an insane 'Bagger, right?
What sane Repugnant could he have chosen?
There are none.
He could've put up a sign: "Sane need not apply."
We don't fear this asshole either!
The worst since Quayle?
This race is over.
Did Romney have a choice?
His VP HAD to be an insane 'Bagger, right?
What sane Repugnant could he have chosen?
There are none.
He could've put up a sign: "Sane need not apply."
We don't fear this asshole either!
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Darla
Cawacko what did I tell you this morning? If you're not posting naked pictures of yourself, or whipping that chubster superfreak into shape so he can, please zip it. Www.shhhh.com
j-mac
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Well, sure you do...Face it, you have a bumbling idiot as his vp opponent, a President that has a 4 year failure that he can't run on, so lies, and character assassination is all you have left to run on, and within the three months left you have to figure out how to not look like small minded, angry, jilted jackasses...Oh wait, that is your entire plan...
Lying amateurs like you Kenny boy are about to lose big time, and I am going to laugh my ass off...
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
notice how quickly liberals abandon truth and head straight to fear-mongering?.......a clear sign they have nothing positive to present to attract voters.......
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Are liberals feverishly stockpiling guns and ammo in a pink-panty-pissing panic?
That would be righties, wouldn't it?
j-mac
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What was it Obama said in '08 about running a large campaign of fear, when you have small ideas?....Hmmmm....Sounds like he was projecting eh?
You're treading into STN "Black guy is really Mexican/Irish territory" there.. the woman is a libertarian oft quoted by conservative outlets.
Remember...not all people with dark skin are blacks and not all people who live in the Bay Area are liberal.
cawacko
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I think I know pretty well the area I've lived in for 30 years. Thank you though. Not sure what your fascination is Carolyn Lockhead. Do you not like her writing?
And Howey, spare me your consescending bullshit. I like Darla and have known her for years so I'll take her crap. I won't from your dumb ass.
apple0154
MEOW
..With all due respect apple, because I feel that of the liberal arguers in here you have shown that you're willing to have a conversation, and this is no different in that aspect, so let's take your charges one by one ok?
1. "Before anything can be fixed one has to realize the problem." - My feeling is that at this point the lack of leadership, the obfuscating, the gridlock, the do it my way or be demonized, approach that Obama has been doing for the past 4 years has failed, so we must first change that.
Obama reached across the aisle when he was first elected and we saw the result with the ObamaCare talks. The problem is the Repubs think the current reality is temporary (jobs will return from the east, the US will produce everything and the rest of the world will be the consumers) so just tweak things a bit, don’t make any major changes and all will return to normal. Wrong guess.
2. "It encompasses the western world" - I think most average middle class people are sitting around their kitchen tables today, not worrying about Germany, or France, or even Greece. No, they want some security in their own country first, then they may think about others.
I’m not talking about them worrying about the rest of the world in that sense. I’m talking about them witnessing what’s happening. The US is not going to spring back to where it was and all the other countries remain where they are. The majority of the other western countries have to improve as well in order for the US to improve. The Germans and the French and the Greeks have to have money to buy US products. The world economy has to change because it’s all tied together as we saw during the financial crisis.
The point being one (Romney) can talk about how they’ll fix everything but the average, intelligent person knows it’s not that easy and it’s not going to happen overnight assuming it happens at all. They know that they just may need the social programs that are being discussed in the cuts. They aren’t going to throw all their eggs in the “everything is going to be fine” basket and support cuts when the only guarantee they have is a politician who became wealthy by closing factories and throwing people out of work.
3. "not just the US. Jobs have gone to eastern nations with much lower wages." - You mean like his economic council advisor Immelt did with GE? Or GM is doing boasting about 11 manufacturing plants in China? We can certainly banter hypocrisy back and forth, but unless you give these businesses a reason to be here they will move...And that reason is NOT the highest cost of doing business in the world I can tell ya that.
The taxes and regulations are a minor matter compared to the difference in wages experienced in the east. Why build cars here when they’re going to be sold in China? Why pay the wages here when they can hire people there? From what I’ve read China is the fastest growing car market. While cars will be sold here the majority of manufacturing will be done in countries where the majority of customers are. This is an example of the fundamental change that the Repubs refuse to deal with.
I’m not saying things will never get better here. I’m saying they’ll never go back to the way they were so a new approach has to be taken. As a society do we believe people should receive medical care if they are unable to afford it? If yes, then subsidies and temporary assistance and a patchwork of programs is not the way to go. Implement a one payer system and be done with it. In today’s world people frequently change jobs. It’s not practical to have medical coverage tied to one’s job or the possibility of not having any insurance because one forget to file/report they were unemployed and required assistance.
4. "Those jobs are not coming back so a fundamental adjustment has to be made. The question is how is the adjustment (suffering) going to be allocated?" - Am I reading this right? Are you really saying that this shrunken labor force, and high unemployment, combined with ever growing entitlement society, is Obama's new norm? Please, oh please stick with that one....
Do you really think that the average American that has been out of work for 2 plus years wants to hear that their days of earning a living, and not being reliant on government is over?
Not at all. I’m saying the dynamics have changed. We all know the paradigm of working for a company for 40 years and then retiring is over. Companies come and go. Joe the plumber (not THAT Joe)may be a plumber for 40 years but he won’t be working for the same company for 40 years. We need programs in place that make the transition easy and one thing is to get rid of the medical/job connection. Maybe unemployed Joe has a chance to get a job at Home Depot showing DIY-ers how to install plumbing fixtures but Joe needs sales/customer service training. A quick visit to a government sponsored training center and a deal is made with Home Depot to train Joe and the government picks up the tab. A few weeks later Joe is working, part of his taxes going back to the training center (government) and Home Depot has a good employee.
5. "Do we throw the population to the wolves and carry on doing things the old, tired, worn out way or take a different approach like, say, make sure everyone has medical coverage whether or not they have a job? Does the government get involved during the transition or do we watch society go to hell? " - So without moving to a redistributive, socialist like model we are doomed to hell? I don't think so.
It doesn’t have to be a socialist model or redistributing. Governments can help and the first requirement for someone to get a job is their being healthy. As you inferred a guy that has been out of work for two years wants to work and be self-supporting so let’s help them to do exactly that. Medical checkup. Training. 220. 221. Whatever it takes! (Did you see that movie?”)
6. "As Obama said there are lots of willing to work, smart people who don't have jobs. What kind of society will evolve if no one helps them?" - And what has Obama done to help them? make them dependent on big government? That's not help.
What do you mean by dependent on government? Do you mean helping?
7. "Are they going to be willing to help anyone in the future if/when they reach a position to do so?" - Americans historically have been the most generous, most charitable societies in history.
They had opportunities and those who were willing to work had jobs to go to. The reality has changed.
8. "Why encourage such a society when we have the resources to help? " - Borrowing .40 cents of every dollar spent, printing money out of thin air to buy our own debt in the Weimar model, Proposing to rob 2% of the population to then give it out to the bottom 50% to keep them on the demo plantation is not what I call having the resources, I call that selling my kids future for a cheap, cynical move toward enslavement to a failed system.
All that has to happen is channel money from other projects and help those in need. Do you not believe in helping people?
9. "That's the fundamental difference between parties." - You're right about that...Liberals want a Euro-Socialistic model that is a failure, and Conservatives want a liberty based model that built this country from nothing into the greatest nation the world has ever seen....
Strange. The US seems to be in the same boat as those so-called failed European models. In fact, a large portion of the financial problem started in the US.
Obama himself said that if he didn't succeed in his first term of putting America back to work and have unemployment down below 5% I believe it was, that his presidency was a "one term proposition" Well, time has come to pay the piper on that one.
I don’t think so. People realize the problem is much bigger than was readily apparent. It encompasses the western world, to some degree or other and throwing a portion of the population under the bus is not the answer.
apple0154
MEOW
Obama wants a one payer system that will shave 1/3 right off the top of medical costs. Medicare. Medicaid. Vouchers. All in the scrap heap. One system like almost all industrial nations have saves money. Do the research.
Saves money and provides for everyone. The problem is that the current crop of Rand lovers, including Ryan, think that what we really need to do is embrace social Darwinism and dissolve the social compact that we've had in this country. Let them die. They believe that selfishness is the only moral course. How does anyone talk to people like that?
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Why is anyone even responding to the dumbfuckery of the Liberal Loony Left Moonbats?
They're not interested in an exchange of ideas or information.
All they want to do is insult, denigrate, and then expect you to defend their dumbfuckery comments.
Constantly attempting to educate them, is nothing more then a time consuming effort in futility.
I suggest ignoring them, until they grow up.
Let them pat each other on the back and continue to try and appear educated.
By the way; the only reason they're behaving like this, is because they're scared that the voters realize what a failure Obama is and they're realizing that this election is not going the way they hoped.
They're not interested in an exchange of ideas or information.
All they want to do is insult, denigrate, and then expect you to defend their dumbfuckery comments.
Constantly attempting to educate them, is nothing more then a time consuming effort in futility.
I suggest ignoring them, until they grow up.
Let them pat each other on the back and continue to try and appear educated.
By the way; the only reason they're behaving like this, is because they're scared that the voters realize what a failure Obama is and they're realizing that this election is not going the way they hoped.