Sammy Jankis
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Does dixies god have a special subset of people designated to be a nation of priests to inflict the faith on the rest of the world?
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I think society has proven that your "pack mentality" concept of morality is invalid and doesn't hold up. Morality is indeed rooted in spiritual belief systems, not necessarily religion. This is why you generally find in humans, those without spiritual beliefs, are the most immoral.
Restricting trade for moral reasons is not a violation. We do that all the time. Would you like me to cite the numerous examples of restricted trade because of morals? Drugs, Prostitution, Slavery... should I continue?
My God doesn't have a dick or any other physical attribute, including a name. I only use the word God to describe it, because it is what humans comprehend in context.
Huh? No... I'm not Muslim! lol
As I said before (I told you to remember it) Christianity is a religion of acceptance, you have to accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior, it can't be "inflicted" on you. There is no way to "force" you to be a Christian. So the premise as a whole, that you are somehow being "forced" to accept the Christian faith, is invalid. You are sometimes asked to abide by certain standards which happen to be prevalent in Christian faith, but Christianity is all about love, respect, compassion, forgiveness, and humanity. If you want to strip society of that, what do you suppose we'll end up with?
Sammy Jankis
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Nope, cooperating makes sense.
Totalitarians like to base things on god so they can pervert society into an elitist and abusive cone.
Totalitarians like to base things on god so they can pervert society into an elitist and abusive cone.
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"Cooperation" is not "Morality" they are two entirely different things.
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Except laws can be written to enforce the christian dogma, whether you believe in it or not.
Laws can be written for force the sabbath to remain a day without businesses being open.
Laws can be written outlawing certain sex acts.
Taxes can be collected from the entire community or population and used to purchase decorations for holidays that not all believe in.
Some christians do practice a faith of love and forgiveness. And some practice a faith based on fear-mongering and hatred. Those groups who work hard to feed the hungry, build homes for the homeless, and help those in need are what we need more of. Those who spend their time condemning sodomy, working to outlaw free expressions of sexuality, trying to rewrite science textbooks for public schools are not spreading love, respect, forgiveness and compassion.
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Are you suggesting that if we strip away christianity we would no longer have love, respect, compassion, forgiveness or humanity?
Sammy Jankis
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So dixie? Your god is the same god as the christian god?
Sammy Jankis
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morality = mutually beneficial cooperative behaviors. They are the same.
you like to put morality in a separate class so you can pervert it into something abusive and lopsided.
Sammy Jankis
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Dixie, I thought you weren't a christian. you're all over the map, idiotstick.
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Laws have already been written and long enforced, which uphold Christian dogma. You can't go around murdering people or stealing your neighbor's shit! When you get right down to it, almost every law has some direct or indirect basis rooted in Christian dogma. So, do you want to strike down ALL laws because they are somehow associated with Christianity? That seems to be your argument, and it's frankly, insane!
Yes, laws can be written to restrict trade on the Sabbath, and they are! Laws can be written to outlaw certain sex acts, and they are! Rape is a sex act... Pedophilia is a sex act... but because these are morally reprehensible, and because they are unacceptable in a civilized society, they are illegal! It's academic that they are also contradictory to Christian dogma. Should we strike down laws against rape, incest, and pedophilia, because Christians frown on it? Again, that would seem to be your insane argument!
It's not for you to determine which Christians are "good" and which Christians are "bad" and what's acceptable and what's not! We live in a democratic society, we ALL get a voice and an opinion, including the Christians, whether you fucking approve of them or not!
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No, I like to define morality as morality and cooperation as cooperation. You are the one who likes to make them equal to each other, when that is not factual.
I think Christians, Jews, Muslims, and the rest of organized religions, misinterpret God. So, no... my belief in God is not the same as Christians. I do agree with Christians about some things, but I also disagree about others. For the most part, I think Christianity brings a positive influence to society as a whole, even though I don't subscribe to the faith.
No, I am consistent, and have been consistent all along. You keep trying to push me into the mold of Christianity and make me something I am not. You keep running around in circles, assuming I am Christian because I dare to stand up for Christian values. I think every decent and moral person should stand up for Christian values. I think that's what is wrong with society today, we've been spooked away from standing up for what is right because it is associated with Christianity.
Sammy Jankis
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Moralitys is mutually beneficial cooperation.
You don't stand up for christian values. You defend christian theocrats; there's a difference.
You don't stand up for christian values. You defend christian theocrats; there's a difference.
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The idea that you keep insisting that laws against murder and theft are rooted in christianity, and wouldn't exist without biblical law is insane. Murder and theft have been against laws in countless cultures.
It certainly is for me to determine. You seem to have no difficulty determining who is good and who is bad. Your numerous diatribes against liberals are a perfect example.
Sammy Jankis
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Dixie = Crypto-Noahide.
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Well I keep insisting it, because they are. Sure, murder and theft are against the law in other cultures, but so is homosexuality and booze. Lots of things are against the law in other cultures, you can't have more than one child in China. We're not talking about other cultures, Sol, we're talking about here in America.
Your argument is against laws based on Christian beliefs... well, that opens the door to quite a few of our laws, are you ready to give those up? No, of course you're not, that would be insane... what you want, is to pick and choose what Sol thinks is acceptable and what Sol thinks is unacceptable, and that be the law of the land for everyone! Well, guess fucking what, Sol? You ain't the goddamn King of America, and YOU don't get to decide for us all!
We live in a "democracy" where We The People get to decide! We may collectively decide some things you don't like... you have the Free Speech right to protest and raise hell about that, if it's the case... but you don't get to dictate what the fuck the rest of us decide, and you never will! You will just have to live with some things, because that's what the majority decided was best... we live in a SOCIETY, Sol... not your personal kingdom!
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Nope... Dixie = Spiritualist. Period.
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When a mobster extorts money from a business owner, it is a mutually beneficial arrangement... the mob gets money, the business gets protection... but is it ethical and moral? When a female school teacher has sex with her male student, it is a mutually beneficial a arrangement... but is it moral? When I fork over $1,500 per year in my annual donation to the Jimmy Hale Mission, it is not mutually beneficial to me... I could use that money to go on vacation, to buy booze and hookers, to spend on my kids, or invest... but instead, I choose to give it as charity to the homeless. They benefit from it, not me. However, I think that it qualifies as a moral thing to do, even though there is no mutual benefit.
I do stand up for decency and morality and if they happen to be espoused by Christians, that doesn't affect my opinion or position in the least. I have no idea where you get that I "defend christian theocrats" because I simply don't defend any theocrat, that I am aware of. Perhaps you can give me some examples?
Sammy Jankis
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that's not mutually beneficial. I doubt the business owner would consider it actual protection. It's a payoff to avoid more harm and violence. It's parasitism.
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But it's beneficial for them to pay the mob, no?
The point is, your (loose) definition of morality is not really morality. It is mutually beneficial cooperation, which could be good, could be bad, and might even be moral at times... but they are two entirely different beasts.
Sammy Jankis
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It's actually being the victim of a crime. It's only "beneficial" in the sense that MORE and GREATER harm is avoided. I would also add VOLUNTARY to my definition.
You discredit yourself with arguments this retarded.